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Easy way to type supersigns in webpages

de s.hofius, 2007-februaro-28

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Islander (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 00:03:55

I had used the "slipped hat" system, so that 'c>' was a 'ĉ'
That likely went out of fashion with the comming of computer age and MS-DOS as one would expect to see FORMAT A: next to it... rideto.gif

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 01:41:05

T0dd:
Same here. When I hear or read people saying that the x-system looks ugly or unnatural, I have to make a mental effort to understand what they are talking about. In fact, the h-system looks weird to me, even though it's what Onklo Zam recommended.

But...I *do* remember my first reaction to the x-system. I *immediately* liked it, and switched to it, never looking back. Prior to seeing it, I had used the "slipped hat" system, so that 'c>' was a 'ĉ' with the hat slipped off to the right. That system seems to be long gone, however.
That's so interesting, I've never even heard of the "slipped hat" system.

I agree about Zamenhof's system, it looks weird to me. I can't bring myself to use it, even though he recommended it!

pastorant (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 02:18:43

Isn't the x system used because the letter x is not a letter in the E-o alphabet??
Some one can confuse flughaveno for fluĝaveno, but since there is no x in Esperanto, no confusion.

RiotNrrd (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 02:43:41

I admit that I do find the x-system ugly, but at the same time I prefer it to any other transliterated system; the h-system is downright awful, and I have difficulty reading it; same with preceding or following the letters with a caret (^). I don't care for the x-system, but I have no trouble reading it.

With Kubuntu Linux, remapping the keyboard is about as easy as it could be, and remembering that if I want a ŝ I have to type a q is not really a problem. I used to use abcTajpu, but once I switched to keymaps I didn't look back.

I tend to use the actual supersigned characters on webpages AND in emails. I do understand that some peoples email systems don't handle unicode, and to them really all I can say is "isn't it about time you joined the 21st century?" I mean, GMail handles unicode just fine and doesn't cost anything. The same is true of many other email services. If you aren't an esperantist then there's no problem, but WE are, so maybe we ought to switch to some email programs that can handle our own languages letters!

Certainly I understand this might be a bit controversial, although I honestly don't know why it should be.

T0dd (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 02:56:21

pastorant:Isn't the x system used because the letter x is not a letter in the E-o alphabet??
Some one can confuse flughaveno for fluĝaveno, but since there is no x in Esperanto, no confusion.
Yes, that's the main reason. Also the 'x' is easier to handle when doing computer searching and sorting, etc.

T0dd (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 03:00:05

RiotNrrd:
I tend to use the actual supersigned characters on webpages AND in emails. I do understand that some peoples email systems don't handle unicode, and to them really all I can say is "isn't it about time you joined the 21st century?" I mean, GMail handles unicode just fine and doesn't cost anything. The same is true of many other email services. If you aren't an esperantist then there's no problem, but WE are, so maybe we ought to switch to some email programs that can handle our own languages letters!
I actually use my mobile phone, a T-mobile Sidekick, for a fair amount of email. It's a very good device in a lot of ways, but it doesn't support enough Unicode to show the Esperanto letters, to my annoyance. I don't know if it ever will. Its web browser also chokes on this web site, due to the way its set up.

There are also plenty of people whose email software *could* support the Unicode, if they only knew enough to turn it on...

RiotNrrd (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 03:39:19

T0dd:I actually use my mobile phone, a T-mobile Sidekick, for a fair amount of email. It's a very good device in a lot of ways, but it doesn't support enough Unicode to show the Esperanto letters, to my annoyance.
That's actually a very good point, and one that I hadn't considered. I'm quite surprised to hear that they don't support unicode - in this day and age I'd fully expect them to (especially because supporting unicode shouldn't really be that much of a technical challenge to a high-tech communications company).

Islander (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 17:07:26

What we have to reminber is that doing such, no matter how insignificant it may seems, is to an extend an effort, a developement cost. If there no market for it, there's no point (and I'm not saying there not enough Esperantists as much as most of them will manage without it)

In the mobile device industrie, they're trying to pack as much as possible in as less space as possible and that does include software coding. Every byte count.

s.hofius (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 18:38:37

I like the x system, i learned it right away when i first started learning eo, maybe that's why it looks natural to me, but i think being able to type the x system and have the letters automatically converted to the unicode characters as i type is pretty cool, that's what this post was about... if you use the greasemonkey script i linked to, then you just type using the x system and you'll see the character change right after you've typed an x after the s, u, g, j, etc... i've never heard of the h system until this thread, same with the 'fallen hat' system or whatever... i can naturally read/type with the x system and can naturally read the regular supersigns and now with this script i can naturally type the supersigns because it's exactly the same as using the x system, that's what i like about it ;]

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 19:18:19

RiotNrrd:
I tend to use the actual supersigned characters on webpages AND in emails. I do understand that some peoples email systems don't handle unicode, and to them really all I can say is "isn't it about time you joined the 21st century?" I mean, GMail handles unicode just fine and doesn't cost anything. The same is true of many other email services.
It's the flip side of the Unix geeks in the Esperanto community. I used to telnet into my university Unix server to read my mail using Pine. A faster interface than webmail, less baggage than something like Outlook, nearly 100% resistance to e-mail-borne viruses. Only it didn't support Unicode, so I regularly received e-mails from fancy-pants Unicode users, filled with weird codes and symbols for letters my ssh client couldn't read.

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