Mesaĝoj: 23
Lingvo: English
Islander (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 00:03:55
I had used the "slipped hat" system, so that 'c>' was a 'ĉ'That likely went out of fashion with the comming of computer age and MS-DOS as one would expect to see FORMAT A: next to it...
erinja (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 01:41:05
T0dd:That's so interesting, I've never even heard of the "slipped hat" system.
Same here. When I hear or read people saying that the x-system looks ugly or unnatural, I have to make a mental effort to understand what they are talking about. In fact, the h-system looks weird to me, even though it's what Onklo Zam recommended.
But...I *do* remember my first reaction to the x-system. I *immediately* liked it, and switched to it, never looking back. Prior to seeing it, I had used the "slipped hat" system, so that 'c>' was a 'ĉ' with the hat slipped off to the right. That system seems to be long gone, however.
I agree about Zamenhof's system, it looks weird to me. I can't bring myself to use it, even though he recommended it!
pastorant (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 02:18:43
Some one can confuse flughaveno for fluĝaveno, but since there is no x in Esperanto, no confusion.
RiotNrrd (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 02:43:41
With Kubuntu Linux, remapping the keyboard is about as easy as it could be, and remembering that if I want a ŝ I have to type a q is not really a problem. I used to use abcTajpu, but once I switched to keymaps I didn't look back.
I tend to use the actual supersigned characters on webpages AND in emails. I do understand that some peoples email systems don't handle unicode, and to them really all I can say is "isn't it about time you joined the 21st century?" I mean, GMail handles unicode just fine and doesn't cost anything. The same is true of many other email services. If you aren't an esperantist then there's no problem, but WE are, so maybe we ought to switch to some email programs that can handle our own languages letters!
Certainly I understand this might be a bit controversial, although I honestly don't know why it should be.
T0dd (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 02:56:21
pastorant:Isn't the x system used because the letter x is not a letter in the E-o alphabet??Yes, that's the main reason. Also the 'x' is easier to handle when doing computer searching and sorting, etc.
Some one can confuse flughaveno for fluĝaveno, but since there is no x in Esperanto, no confusion.
T0dd (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 03:00:05
RiotNrrd:I actually use my mobile phone, a T-mobile Sidekick, for a fair amount of email. It's a very good device in a lot of ways, but it doesn't support enough Unicode to show the Esperanto letters, to my annoyance. I don't know if it ever will. Its web browser also chokes on this web site, due to the way its set up.
I tend to use the actual supersigned characters on webpages AND in emails. I do understand that some peoples email systems don't handle unicode, and to them really all I can say is "isn't it about time you joined the 21st century?" I mean, GMail handles unicode just fine and doesn't cost anything. The same is true of many other email services. If you aren't an esperantist then there's no problem, but WE are, so maybe we ought to switch to some email programs that can handle our own languages letters!
There are also plenty of people whose email software *could* support the Unicode, if they only knew enough to turn it on...
RiotNrrd (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 03:39:19
T0dd:I actually use my mobile phone, a T-mobile Sidekick, for a fair amount of email. It's a very good device in a lot of ways, but it doesn't support enough Unicode to show the Esperanto letters, to my annoyance.That's actually a very good point, and one that I hadn't considered. I'm quite surprised to hear that they don't support unicode - in this day and age I'd fully expect them to (especially because supporting unicode shouldn't really be that much of a technical challenge to a high-tech communications company).
Islander (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 17:07:26
In the mobile device industrie, they're trying to pack as much as possible in as less space as possible and that does include software coding. Every byte count.
s.hofius (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 18:38:37
erinja (Montri la profilon) 2007-marto-02 19:18:19
RiotNrrd:It's the flip side of the Unix geeks in the Esperanto community. I used to telnet into my university Unix server to read my mail using Pine. A faster interface than webmail, less baggage than something like Outlook, nearly 100% resistance to e-mail-borne viruses. Only it didn't support Unicode, so I regularly received e-mails from fancy-pants Unicode users, filled with weird codes and symbols for letters my ssh client couldn't read.
I tend to use the actual supersigned characters on webpages AND in emails. I do understand that some peoples email systems don't handle unicode, and to them really all I can say is "isn't it about time you joined the 21st century?" I mean, GMail handles unicode just fine and doesn't cost anything. The same is true of many other email services.