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pastorant (Tunjukkan profil) 12 Oktober 2006 01.10.36

My wife wants to learn Esperanto, but does NOT like to read to learn a language no matter how easy it's supposed to be. Does anyone know of any CD or courses on tape, a la Pimsleur? I know years ago there used to be the fantastic Jen Nia Mondo, but it is out of print.
Dankon por ia ajn helpo, ke vi povas proponi.

erinja (Tunjukkan profil) 13 Oktober 2006 02.05.55

pastorant:My wife wants to learn Esperanto, but does NOT like to read to learn a language no matter how easy it's supposed to be. Does anyone know of any CD or courses on tape, a la Pimsleur? I know years ago there used to be the fantastic Jen Nia Mondo, but it is out of print.
Dankon por ia ajn helpo, ke vi povas proponi.
I don't happen to know of anything like this. My suggestion to you is to spend some time contacting Esperanto book services to see if they have a used copy. Have you ever actually seen the book? While it is dialogue based, and while there are tapes of the dialogues, it's not really like pimsleur. The exercises etc are still done on paper, it's just that the grammar is introduced a little differently, and the "reading" texts are conversations, and you have it both in written and audio form.

Incidentally, if you can scare up a copy of the text somewhere, I think I may know someone who has the tapes, and I could possibly arrange to copy them for you. Though there are of course copyright ramifications to doing something like this, if you absolutely can't find a used copy, I feel only a very limited amount of guilt about copying a tape of an out of print course. Send me a private message if you want me to look into this possibility for you.

Lunombrulino (Tunjukkan profil) 13 Oktober 2006 04.23.03

Have you considered the DVD / VCR course Esperanto - Pasporto al la Tuta Mondo

The video follows the misadventurs of the Familio Bonvolo, and uses progressively more complex vocabulary and grammar, and there is some explanations before and after each of the 15 episodes.

Rope (Tunjukkan profil) 13 Oktober 2006 07.44.29

I have e-mailed Pimsleur to see if they are planning to release an Esperanto module.

Just as a matter of interest, how many people would be interested in a collection of MP3's that have standard phrases and sentences?

This would again need the help of experienced Esperantists to record them in the various languages on Lernu (Sorry team, drumming up more work for you).

Could be a usefull aid to learning Eo, and another plus point to Lernu.

jean-luc (Tunjukkan profil) 13 Oktober 2006 13.05.10

Rope:Just as a matter of interest, how many people would be interested in a collection of MP3's that have standard phrases and sentences?

This would again need the help of experienced Esperantists to record them in the various languages on Lernu (Sorry team, drumming up more work for you).
There is a french project called Shtooka which might be interesting :

here the presentation :
Le "projet shtooka" est un projet coopératif dont le but est la création de matériel audio ainsi que des outils logiciels nécessaires à l'apprentissage des langues étrangères. Notre axe principal de travail vise à mettre en place un ensemble de bases de données audio linguistiques telle la "base audio libre de mot français" ainsi que les outils logiciels capables d'en tirer parti.
A very extremely rough translation : Shtooka project is a cooperative project aiming to create audios files and softwares needed for foreign languages learning. Our main work axis is to create an set of linguistic audio data as the "free french words audio base" as well as softwares able to use it.

Currently there is only two bases : french and russian words and expressions,

and two softwares : Shtooka I allowing the recording of words and the storage in database and the training/learning , the second Shtooka II is dedicated to the creation of exercises for audio training.

erinja (Tunjukkan profil) 13 Oktober 2006 14.26.24

We're not really planning on releasing a collection of standard sentences, phrases etc anytime soon. However we are working on recording audio files of our whole word learning database, and that should include the contents of our "useful phrases" section.

Also - actually this just occurred to me, I completely forgot before - we are working on a course called "Mi estas komencanto" which your wife might like. Its basis is to learn vocabulary adn phrases that will be useful to you when you attend an Esperanto event for the first time. It has a slightly more pimsleur-like approach; you learn words and phrases, then you have "conversations" with people at the fictional Esperanto event that you are attending, where the recording says something then pauses so you can respond, then says something else, etc. It is actually closer to the pimsleur method than the Jen Nia Mondo course, and emphasizes speaking more than reading and writing.

Rope (Tunjukkan profil) 13 Oktober 2006 15.17.10

jean-luc, the French Shtooka projects sound good. Are the French to Esperanto?

Erinja,

It is a pity that you have no plans for it, I think it would be very usefull to listen to in the car.

The audio files option sounds good, I drive quite a bit to work on various systems so listening to MP3's in the car for practise would be good.

I did read on a forum on time that Pimsleur were working on an Eo course. We will see if it is true when and if they respond.

It would be a nice mix to use with the grammer section on the site.

awake (Tunjukkan profil) 13 Oktober 2006 16.12.07

How funny, I just ordered Jen Nia Mondo about 15 minutes ago, and come here and find this post. ridulo.gif Small world. It's available from audioforum.com

I'm finding the transition from being able to read and write esperanto reasonably well to being able to speak/understand spoken Eo to be more challenging than I would like. In part that's because I don't really have anyone to practice with. I'm also still working on building my vocabulary. My goal is to reach a high degree of EO fluency in Speaking, listening comprehension, reading, and writing by new year's day. ridulo.gif

pastorant:My wife wants to learn Esperanto, but does NOT like to read to learn a language no matter how easy it's supposed to be. Does anyone know of any CD or courses on tape, a la Pimsleur? I know years ago there used to be the fantastic Jen Nia Mondo, but it is out of print.
Dankon por ia ajn helpo, ke vi povas proponi.

jean-luc (Tunjukkan profil) 13 Oktober 2006 18.11.58

Rope:jean-luc, the French Shtooka projects sound good. Are the French to Esperanto?
Actually, there is no esperanto part but I think the tools (which are free) might be of interest if someone what to create a database of audio words and phrases. No need to reinvent the wheel !

The software seem to be in english (according to the screenshots) and if somenone whant to use it to create an esperanto database, it surely should be possible to contact them in english.

Web page (in french) at http://shtooka.net/

The only english page is about the french words database :
http://shtooka.moostik.net/dico-fr/index.php?lng=e...

I think the most difficult is to find a good esperanto speaker with enough free time to record the words.

erinja (Tunjukkan profil) 14 Oktober 2006 22.49.16

Rope:
Erinja,

It is a pity that you have no plans for it, I think it would be very usefull to listen to in the car.
It's not really about lack of will for these kinds of things, it's a lack of funding and manpower. There are two people who work on the site more or less full-time. There are three more who are students and do lernu! stuff in their spare time, mostly the computery stuff. Two more do assorted projects whenever they can find the time for it, but less than the rest of the group. This is the core lernu team, responsible for almost all of the site's content. Translations are done by a large group of volunteers working in their free time. The main things preventing the lernu-team from making a pimsleur-type course are the lack of manpower for designing and recording the course (considering the team already has a huge laundry list of changes to make), and the server space. We are currently looking into getting a bigger server to handle our large amount of site traffic, which would be far larger if people were downloading vastly more audio content. If anyone wants to help us out in this regard - take a look at this link! http://en.lernu.net/pri_lernu/subteno/index.php

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