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The word tiukaze

pastorant,2006年12月29日の

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pastorant (プロフィールを表示) 2006年12月29日 10:01:24

What does the word tiukaze mean?
I checked Wells' dictionary, Butler's Eo-English dictionary, AND ReVo and the best I can come up with is "in that case", like as in the sentence "In that case, we'll have to go".
Am I correct in this assumption?
Cu mi supozas ĝuste?

Niddler (プロフィールを表示) 2006年12月29日 14:36:49

Bone, since "kazo" seems to mean "case" and "tiu" means "that", and the "-e" ending makes it an adverb... That's probably very correct! ridulo.gif

awake (プロフィールを表示) 2006年12月29日 19:39:35

yes, I think you have it

tiukaze = in that case
iukaze = in any case/in some cases
etc...

pastorant:What does the word tiukaze mean?
I checked Wells' dictionary, Butler's Eo-English dictionary, AND ReVo and the best I can come up with is "in that case", like as in the sentence "In that case, we'll have to go".
Am I correct in this assumption?
Cu mi supozas ĝuste?

Kwekubo (プロフィールを表示) 2006年12月30日 3:12:50

"Tiukaze" does indeed mean "in that case".

In case the meaning of "kazo" was what was confusing you: kazo originally only meant "case" in the sense of a grammatical declension case, such as the nominative or accusative (this is still the word's only official meaning), but since the twenties extra meanings have been creeping in and the Esperanto "kazo" is now more or less synonymous with the English "case". If you prefer, you could say "tiuokaze" (i.e. tiu-okaz-e), but there's really no obligation to do so at this stage. Both would be good Esperanto. Claude Piron explains this in more detail here.

awake (プロフィールを表示) 2006年12月30日 4:01:13

That was very interesting, thanks for the link. ridulo.gif

Kwekubo: Claude Piron explains this in more detail here.

Filu (プロフィールを表示) 2007年1月2日 17:55:45

It just poped in my mind a few days ago that one might want to use the word maltiukaze, in the sense of "in any other case than that case" (perhaps "unless it is the case" would be better English?).

Would that be proper Esperanto??? Have anyone ever came accross this word? (That could be a way to confirm its validity, if the text read at that moment was written by a skilled esperantist, I guess...)

Feliĉan novan jarojn al ĉiuj Lernu!-uzantoj!

T0dd (プロフィールを表示) 2007年1月2日 19:42:00

Filu:It just poped in my mind a few days ago that one might want to use the word maltiukaze, in the sense of "in any other case than that case" (perhaps "unless it is the case" would be better English?).
How about "alikaze"?

Filu (プロフィールを表示) 2007年1月2日 23:14:29

T0dd:
Filu:It just poped in my mind a few days ago that one might want to use the word maltiukaze, in the sense of "in any other case than that case" (perhaps "unless it is the case" would be better English?).
How about "alikaze"?
He he! It seems like I was going the long long way around it!

Thanks for your reply.

Filu (プロフィールを表示) 2007年1月3日 1:37:49

Uuh! I was only wondering if the word alikaze would include any other case, or if it would not instead mean "in some other case" (not necessarily them all) demando.gif

Obviously, there would always be an easy multi-word solution, like "en ĉiuj aliaj kazoj". And perhaps "nekaze"(?)

Just asking...

Le Hibou (プロフィールを表示) 2007年1月3日 7:59:37

Filu:Uuh! I was only wondering if the word alikaze would include any other case, or if it would not instead mean "in some other case" (not necessarily them all) demando.gif

Obviously, there would always be an easy multi-word solution, like "en ĉiuj aliaj kazoj". And perhaps "nekaze"(?)

Just asking...
I read somewhere (Piron?) that the word "jeskaze" was used, as in meaning "if you agree...", or equivalent to tiukaze, so I guess "nekaze" could mean "otherwise" or "in all other cases". I think there are many different possibilities! Even "maltiukaze", although it sounds a little clumsy, is correct, IMO. If the difference between "in all other cases" and "in some other cases" is important, then the multi-word solution is certainly more precise: "en ĉiuj aliaj kazoj" or "en iuj aliaj kazoj".

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