boy-o (プロフィールを表示) 2004年12月15日 3:47:38
i'm rather sufficient in the language to construct my own sentences and express myself on a somewhat high level of clarity, and i can read esperanto with no problem past the occasional word-i-don't-understand-and-need-to-look-up. But my problem is understanding fluently spoken dialog.
I ran into this problem on a much larger scale when i was learning spanish in school,so when i started esperanto i made it a note to put emphasis on audio comprehension. And i did too...i always repeated everything i was learning out loud, as well as put it into sentences. i also listened to different songs and stories as well as some courses with spoken dialog excersies (i'm working on gerda malaperis right now).
But despite this, i can't seem to even pick out random words from fluent dialog (for ex. a radio polonia broadcast). Even picking out a few scattered words was something i could do in spanish. But i just can't seem to get it in esperanto.
Could it be that i accustomed myself to slow dialog and i become overwhelmed with the speed at which fluency is spoken? Or should i devote more time to studying and eventually get it over time?
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SEYMOUR (プロフィールを表示) 2004年12月15日 22:08:45
of the learning process.just take your time,don't get desperate and keep in
mind that radio polonio as well as radio china they have their own stlyle to
speak esperanto(in my case i understand a chinese esperantistoj ke polandoj) because chinese use more basic pronunciation and polandoj
use words that i haven't find en la vortaro yet!.polandoj created this thus,
they have the advantage of more time than anybody.
mi advice take it easy and switch to radio china like i did and you'll see
boy-o (プロフィールを表示) 2004年12月24日 1:59:41
I never made the connection that radio poland is made in the same country that zamenhoff's hometown is in. hmmmm...that puts it at a completely different perspektive.
i think i'll go check out radio china right now. plufoje, dankon!
Genna_StCloud (プロフィールを表示) 2008年2月21日 21:15:24
You may be a largely visual learner (I am) or kinesthetic/tactile learner. that just means you need more time and more deliberate exposure. You're on the right track, though.
As an example, I was trying to learn a Buddhist chant. This has about as much relation to modern Japanese as between frogs and apes. It's there, but the explanation would take forever. There aren't any visual clues as such, it's *TOTALLY* unfamiliar phrasing with almost no inflection. Rote memorization is fine, except, what do you do when you get lost and can't even *hear* a point to pick up at?
Make yourself a visual clue, if you're reciting from memory, use *pictures* to associate certain phrases. If you're listening to the radio or a CD, give yourself a mental 'point' every time you hear a familiar word. (Even if the word is "la". ) Keep yourself motivated with mental 'bets' and so forth, becase that is the MOST frustrating part of learning a language to me.
Don't expect immediate results, and build up from the small steps. In my case, very, very small steps. Our study group worked in the 'slow' version, and the main group worked in the 'fast' version. After many months, I could at least follow enough to keep my place if I tripped over the (inevitable) word.
Some people just don't do well with auditory learning.
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Genna_StCloud (プロフィールを表示) 2008年2月22日 2:45:04
Above all, BE PATIENT WITH YOURSELF. You learned to speak your native language, and you *CAN* learn many more. Once you find things that help you, each later study session becomes just that much easier.
I actually keep a 'diary' of study notes. Things that may affect my ability to retain information include time of day, how long before/after my last meal, whether there is music or television noise in the background, and more. I try especially hard to note the things I notice that make retention better and easier.