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Esperanto ideologies?

od Valtteri233, 12 września 2020

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Valtteri233 (Pokaż profil) 12 września 2020, 17:28:40

Hello i am new to esperanto and i have been wondering, What is Raumanismo and Finvenkismo, and are there more views in the esperanto community that exist?

Zam_franca (Pokaż profil) 12 września 2020, 17:53:57

Saluton!
If you weren't new to Esperanto, I would have suggested you the following article in Esperanto: https://teokajlibroj.wordpress.com/2020/04/05/raum...

You can still read it with Google translate, though.

Have you read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finvenkismo
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raumism ?

IMHO, most of the esperantists are neither finvenkistoj, nor raŭmistoj. Maybe they are a kind of combination of both (raŭmisma finvenkismo?) or simply nothing. I personally don't know any other "isms" within the Esperanto movement.

Valtteri233 (Pokaż profil) 13 września 2020, 10:53:34

Wiadomość została ukryta.

Frano (Pokaż profil) 13 września 2020, 11:19:22

Zam_franca:IMHO, most of the esperantists are neither finvenkistoj, nor raŭmistoj. Maybe they are a kind of combination of both (raŭmisma finvenkismo?) or simply nothing. I personally don't know any other "isms" within the Esperanto movement.
Mi feliĉas ke ankaŭ mi ne konas aliajn "ismo"-jn en Esperanto-movado, sed ili estas (aŭ almenaŭ oni diras tiel):
En nia movado oni babilas pri «finvenkismo», «pracelismo», «lapennismo», «desubismo», «desuprismo», «raŭmismo» ktp. kaj oni kredas, ke per tia kabineta teoriumado oni faris siajn devon kaj eblon por la movado.
I. F. Bociort

Edveno (Pokaż profil) 4 października 2020, 08:00:55

Esperantists these days are mostly raŭmistos, concerned with cultivating Esperanto cultural works (literature, song, poetry ktp.) Even the people who still sell the idea of the fina venko have to use raŭmist talking points ("Esperanto has its own literature!") to convince anyone to learn Esperanto (I say "convince" as though Esperanto is some horrible thing, but you know!); the idea and appeal of a cultureless Utopian universal language died with the World Wars and with the rise of concern for minority languages among the linguistically knowledgeable.

Zam_franca (Pokaż profil) 4 października 2020, 09:45:18

Edveno:Esperantists these days are mostly raŭmistos, concerned with cultivating Esperanto cultural works (literature, song, poetry ktp.) Even the people who still sell the idea of the fina venko have to use raŭmist talking points ("Esperanto has its own literature!") to convince anyone to learn Esperanto (I say "convince" as though Esperanto is some horrible thing, but you know!); the idea and appeal of a cultureless Utopian universal language died with the World Wars and with the rise of concern for minority languages among the linguistically knowledgeable.
I don't think that finvenkismo is opposed to an Esperanto literature. Esperanto has always aimed to be a language of art and culture, since "Ho, mia kor'!" in 1887.

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