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Esperanto ideologies?

başlangıç Valtteri233, 12 Eylül 2020

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Valtteri233 (Profili görüntüle) 12 Eylül 2020 17:28:40

Hello i am new to esperanto and i have been wondering, What is Raumanismo and Finvenkismo, and are there more views in the esperanto community that exist?

Zam_franca (Profili görüntüle) 12 Eylül 2020 17:53:57

Saluton!
If you weren't new to Esperanto, I would have suggested you the following article in Esperanto: https://teokajlibroj.wordpress.com/2020/04/05/raum...

You can still read it with Google translate, though.

Have you read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finvenkismo
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raumism ?

IMHO, most of the esperantists are neither finvenkistoj, nor raŭmistoj. Maybe they are a kind of combination of both (raŭmisma finvenkismo?) or simply nothing. I personally don't know any other "isms" within the Esperanto movement.

Valtteri233 (Profili görüntüle) 13 Eylül 2020 10:53:34

Mesaj gizlendi.

Frano (Profili görüntüle) 13 Eylül 2020 11:19:22

Zam_franca:IMHO, most of the esperantists are neither finvenkistoj, nor raŭmistoj. Maybe they are a kind of combination of both (raŭmisma finvenkismo?) or simply nothing. I personally don't know any other "isms" within the Esperanto movement.
Mi feliĉas ke ankaŭ mi ne konas aliajn "ismo"-jn en Esperanto-movado, sed ili estas (aŭ almenaŭ oni diras tiel):
En nia movado oni babilas pri «finvenkismo», «pracelismo», «lapennismo», «desubismo», «desuprismo», «raŭmismo» ktp. kaj oni kredas, ke per tia kabineta teoriumado oni faris siajn devon kaj eblon por la movado.
I. F. Bociort

Edveno (Profili görüntüle) 4 Ekim 2020 08:00:55

Esperantists these days are mostly raŭmistos, concerned with cultivating Esperanto cultural works (literature, song, poetry ktp.) Even the people who still sell the idea of the fina venko have to use raŭmist talking points ("Esperanto has its own literature!") to convince anyone to learn Esperanto (I say "convince" as though Esperanto is some horrible thing, but you know!); the idea and appeal of a cultureless Utopian universal language died with the World Wars and with the rise of concern for minority languages among the linguistically knowledgeable.

Zam_franca (Profili görüntüle) 4 Ekim 2020 09:45:18

Edveno:Esperantists these days are mostly raŭmistos, concerned with cultivating Esperanto cultural works (literature, song, poetry ktp.) Even the people who still sell the idea of the fina venko have to use raŭmist talking points ("Esperanto has its own literature!") to convince anyone to learn Esperanto (I say "convince" as though Esperanto is some horrible thing, but you know!); the idea and appeal of a cultureless Utopian universal language died with the World Wars and with the rise of concern for minority languages among the linguistically knowledgeable.
I don't think that finvenkismo is opposed to an Esperanto literature. Esperanto has always aimed to be a language of art and culture, since "Ho, mia kor'!" in 1887.

Nephihaha (Profili görüntüle) 24 Aralık 2020 23:49:44

Zam_franca:Saluton!
If you weren't new to Esperanto, I would have suggested you the following article in Esperanto: https://teokajlibroj.wordpress.com/2020/04/05/raum...

You can still read it with Google translate, though.

Have you read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finvenkismo
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raumism ?

IMHO, most of the esperantists are neither finvenkistoj, nor raŭmistoj. Maybe they are a kind of combination of both (raŭmisma finvenkismo?) or simply nothing. I personally don't know any other "isms" within the Esperanto movement.
Homaranismo
https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homaranismo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homaranismo

I suppose the other -isms would be groups that latched onto Esperanto on - vegetaranism, Marxism, the Bahais, Spiritualism in Brazil etc.

Zam_franca (Profili görüntüle) 25 Aralık 2020 09:43:04

Homaranismo is not an ideology part of Esperantism. This is something else, that is linked to Zamenhof's spiritual goals (uniting humankind).

Nephihaha (Profili görüntüle) 25 Aralık 2020 12:15:03

I would disagree. Apart from the fact that it was the underpinning of Esperanto to begin with, many Esperantists hero worship Zamenhof and try and emulate his ideals. Zamenhof also wrote about it in Esperanto and saw it as a means to spread the idea. His daughter Lidia also tried to spread it through the Esperanto movement.

There are all the vegan/Communist etc Esperantists I mentioned earlier, but these are examples of tendencies which have come in from outside. Homoranismo and Esperanto are very much intertwined, and it is perhaps one of the earliest Esperanto ideologies. I would argue Finvenkismo is an outgrowth of it.

Nephihaha (Profili görüntüle) 25 Aralık 2020 12:36:34

Sennaciismo. I have to say I am utterly opposed to this one. Although this is supposedly a radical far left mutation of Esperantism, it seems to me that neoliberal globalism pushes a similar kind of thinking outside Esperanto from the right of the room, often while marketing/disguising it as pro-diversity (i.e. its opposite). I can't help thinking George Soros encountered this idea within the Esperanto community and that it would explain many of his actions, even though his capitalism and money making schemes put him on the right of the political spectrum.

The idea of a bland world that all looks the same where all people act the same etc is a kind of horror. We are already a large part of the way there, but it is not a desirable aim. Humanity has progressed when there are different ways of living and thinking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anationalism

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