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de dudegee, 2013-oktobro-02

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dudegee (Montri la profilon) 2013-oktobro-02 04:14:47

I lurk around the forums every now and then. I learn a bit here and there. I want to successfully learn Esperanto and not become an eterna komencanto.

My problem is (forgive me if I've posted this before, it would have been over a year ago), I have very little time to do any intensive study. With a full time job, family, and a podcast on the side I have to use my time very wisely.

My job is very physical and requires little thought, so I do a lot of audio learning there (podcasts and language courses). There doesn't seem to be very much audio material for learning Esperanto though. I've been through the Mi Estas Komencanto course but it left me wanting more. I tried the books on librivox but they weren't really meant to be audio books. I have the Teach Yourself Esperanto course but the audio is useless without the book and I can't read the book while working.

I've used the Kurso de Esperanto program and I feel I have a good grasp on the basics. I'd like to build my vocabulary and would like to know if anyone knows where to find some vocabulary audio files. Words, phrases, sentences, just something to listen to at work. Or if anyone knows of a good audio course (in the style of Pimsleur or Michel Thomas) that would be greatly appreciated.

I seriously don't want to be the eterna komencanto.

sproshua (Montri la profilon) 2013-oktobro-02 08:17:32

it's not an audio course, but have you checked out Radio Verda? lots of listening material.
http://radioverda.com/

Uridium (Montri la profilon) 2013-oktobro-02 08:39:40

I talk for myself.
I didn't work, but if i would worked, i don't think that could be prejudice my acknowledge of Esperanto.

In fact my daily time full dedicate to Esperanto take me only half hour, 6 day at week; and thanks to this very useful website, i don't need to pay nothing, go to courses and i have full decision to manage this.

And now, after and year (and something) now i consider myself an "meza esperantisto".

For this i love Esperanto, because, like for the best things, need to put the minimum effort for have the maximum result.

If i would study another national language i think if will more difficul achieve that....

Maybe its just a fact of motivation?

dudegee (Montri la profilon) 2013-oktobro-02 14:17:30

sproshua:it's not an audio course, but have you checked out Radio Verda? lots of listening material.
http://radioverda.com/
I'm actually downloading some now. Thank you.

Uridium:Maybe its just a fact of motivation?
I can assure you, motivation is not the problem. I've done well in German and Chinese with the same constraints. The problem is the lack of materials that are useful in my situation.

Uridium (Montri la profilon) 2013-oktobro-02 15:20:47

I can assure you, motivation is not the problem. I've done well in German and Chinese with the same constraints. The problem is the lack of materials that are useful in my situation.
Here in Lernu you can choose various PDF, MP3 files and vocabulary for mobile phones.
And in the rest of Internet, you can found free the PMEG, other gramatics files and also PDF books and Esperanto for training you.

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2013-oktobro-02 16:09:08

There is no complete Esperanto course that is audio-only, an audio-course equivalent of something like Pimsleur or Michel Thomas. Part of the problem is that these courses require narration in a language other than Esperanto, and this kind of course is difficult to produce because it must be re-recorded for speakers of many different languages.

Sorry about that. The best you are likely to do is to study written texts offline and then listen to the same texts repeatedly to see how much your comprehension grows. I have used Assimil recordings in that way, for other languages; the recordings are course texts only, with no special instructional portions thrown in.

An alternate would be to make your own course - take a written text and make an MP3 recording of yourself reading the entire text, with explanations and example sentences, and exercises. Then listen to that repeatedly. It's time-consuming but it might be a worthwhile time expenditure if you spend an hour or so making a couple of exercises that you can then listen to countless times.

pensulo (Montri la profilon) 2013-oktobro-02 16:12:57

I am in a similar situation. I've just discovered Gradint (graduated interval), an open-source application which can be used to create your own Pimsleur-style audio lessons. I've only just installed it, but can already report that using my computer's synthesized speech to create the audio files does not produce satisfactory results. (This is due to the poor quality of the synthesized speech on my computer, and is not the fault of the program.) As soon as I can find the time, I'll experiment with recording my own audio files. Building my own lessons will be a lot of work, but I'm sure that the process itself will be a good learning experience. Here's the link:

http://people.ds.cam.ac.uk/ssb22/gradint/

Laŭrenco

dudegee (Montri la profilon) 2013-oktobro-03 00:56:40

Thank you for your suggestions. I'll look into making my own audio when I have some more free time.

kaŝperanto (Montri la profilon) 2013-oktobro-03 17:58:48

dudegee:I I tried the books on librivox but they weren't really meant to be audio books. I have the Teach Yourself Esperanto course but the audio is useless without the book and I can't read the book while working.
I don't know about any of the other books, but I have been listening to "The Esperanto Teacher: A Simple Course for Non-grammarians" for a few months while driving to and from work, and it has helped me quite a bit. I do find that the format leaves something to be desired, especially the ones that the "Nicholas James Bridgewater" guy narrates, because he reads all the exercises in Eo and then gives the answers. The other narrator reads exercise-key and it is much more helpful. In any case I found that I need to listen to lessons a few times to make up for the poor formatting.

I'm now on my second run through the book, and my pronunciation and listening comprehension are much better. However, I would classify myself as a mid-level esperantist in writing/reading. The extra vocabulary may be giving me an advantage there (not sure), but then again it would be simple for you to record simple vocabulary lessons to get you up to snuff. I still find that vocabulary is my weak point.

That Gradint program sounds promising. I may have to check into that myself. Maybe we could get an open project together for this? It may be too much for one person to do, but several...

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