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Lingvo: English
EldanarLambetur (Montri la profilon) 2011-junio-14 21:10:13
I took the word to mean "sometimes":
"Iafoje oni ankaŭ povas uzi 'de' aŭ 'disde' en tiaj frazoj..."
However, the dictionary on Lernu suggests words like "kelkfoje" or "iufoje" are "sometimes", and when given "iafoje" just splits it into its constituents.
Are they all just different ways of expressing the same thing? Or do they have distinctions (however subtle)?
E.g. does "kelkfoje" suggest some amount of times, where maybe "iafoje" suggests some types of times? What about iufoje?
Miland (Montri la profilon) 2011-junio-14 22:48:04
EldanarLambetur:Are they all just different ways of expressing the same thing?Wells indicates that iufoje, iafoje or kelkfoje can all be used where we would say "sometimes" in English.
PIV 2005 does make finer distinctions; iufoje refers to sporadic events, iafoje to definite kinds of events, and kelkfoje to multiple events. According to Butler, kelkfoje means "several times".
In my view your interpretation of iafoje as "sometimes" is correct for practical purposes, since this word covers both sporadic events and occasional events of a certain type.
EldanarLambetur (Montri la profilon) 2011-junio-14 22:51:22
T0dd (Montri la profilon) 2011-junio-15 18:43:20
For that matter, foje is sometimes used for this purpose, although I think I've also seen it used with the meaning of iam.
In English, "sometimes" is plural, so we understand it to mean "at times", rather than at some single indefinite time. Since the adverbial ending -e in Esperanto is neither singular nor plural, foje could seemingly go either way. This is probably why fojfoje is used, with the repeated root acting as a kind of multiplier.
EldanarLambetur (Montri la profilon) 2011-junio-15 20:22:06
geo63 (Montri la profilon) 2011-junio-16 05:42:45
alifoje
ankoraŭfoje
centfoje
ĉifoje
ĉiomfoje
ĉiufoje
duafoje
foje
iafoje
iufoje
kelkfoje
kiomfoje
lastfoje
milfoje
multfoje
ne unu foje
plurfoje
refoje
tiomfoje
trifoje
unu fojon
unuafoje
unufoje
Try to find English equivalents for them (my knowledge in English is too limited, sorry)
henma (Montri la profilon) 2011-junio-17 22:19:35
geo63:All I could find with foje:Lemme try:
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Try to find English equivalents for them (my knowledge in English is too limited, sorry)
alifoje - in other occasion
ankoraŭfoje - still ?
centfoje - one hundred times
ĉifoje - this time
ĉiomfoje - ?
ĉiufoje - every time
duafoje - for second time
foje - sometimes
iafoje - sometimes
iufoje - sometimes
kelkfoje - several times
kiomfoje - how many times ?
lastfoje - last time
milfoje - a thousand times
multfoje - several times
ne unu foje - not once
plurfoje - several times
refoje - again
tiomfoje - that many times (?)
trifoje - thrice / three times
unu fojon - once
unuafoje - for the first time
unufoje - once
(what about dufoje - twice? I found unufoje and trifoje in the list, but not dufoje... I also missed fojfoje - sometimes)
Those with -omfoje I didn't know.
Amike,
Daniel.
geo63 (Montri la profilon) 2011-junio-18 06:01:23
henma:(what about dufoje - twice? I found unufoje and trifoje in the list, but not dufoje... I also missed fojfoje - sometimes)I wrote:
Those with -omfoje I didn't know.
all I could find (having limited time before going out for work). It does not mean that this list is complete. In fact it is far from that. You are free to contribute to it.
dufoja
fojo
kelkfoja
kvarfoja
kvinfoja
multfojeco
okfoja
refoja (refoja festeno)
sesfoja
triafoje
unuafojaĵo
unufoje kribrita
...
{n}foje - where n is any number - this gives unlimited array of words.
ceigered (Montri la profilon) 2011-junio-19 04:43:56
Otherwise "fojfoje" and "kelkfoje" for me.