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Islander (Pokaż profil) 7 lutego 2007, 00:19:54
In my opinion, one of the reason is the influence the US and UK/Commonwealth had over the world in the last century (military, economically, culturally...) and how the english language is a simpler language to learn than most other western languages and probably even simpler than Esperanto itself through immersion by all accessible media (TV, Internet, ...).
What do you think?
erinja (Pokaż profil) 7 lutego 2007, 00:50:54
Islander:It was mentioned that Esperanto did not become what it was supposed to (not yet, anyway). It wasn't clearly stated why.I think that the US and the Commonwealth don't really matter that much. If it's in someone's economic best interest to learn a language, they will. In Zamenhof's time, it would have been French that was the "international language". In the future, perhaps Chinese. I think perhaps that it doesn't take a lot of effort to learn to speak English badly, but it takes a lot to learn to speak it well. Other languages have the work distributed more; there is perhaps more work up-front, then it becomes easier later. I don't know that I would say English is easier than other western languages, though.
In my opinion, one of the reason is the influence the US and UK/Commonwealth had over the world in the last century (military, economically, culturally...) and how the english language is a simpler language to learn than most other western languages and probably even simpler than Esperanto itself through immersion by all accessible media (TV, Internet, ...).
What do you think?
pastorant (Pokaż profil) 7 lutego 2007, 01:47:30
But still, Esperanto is easier than any language I know of. It has more structure than a Creole, but yet it's a full language.
dwarf (Pokaż profil) 7 lutego 2007, 15:44:29
1) It has plenty of left-outs, errors, mistakes and so on. These also include the parts of the language which result in difficulties in learning the language.
2) It's too romanian.
3) Noone needs to learn it. It's not of their economical interest to do so.
4) The pronunciation is not so easy for speakers of some languages.
5) It is not advertised, there are not enough good learning resources and so on.
There might be more to it, though...
erinja (Pokaż profil) 7 lutego 2007, 19:23:41
dwarf:Wow, I thought I had heard all possible arguments against Esperanto, but this is a new one to me. I doubt that most English speakers even have enough knowledge of Romanian to say "Oh, I just can't learn Esperanto, it's too Romanian"
2) It's too romanian.
super-griek (Pokaż profil) 7 lutego 2007, 19:51:07
2) It's too romanian.
Wow, I thought I had heard all possible arguments against Esperanto, but this is a new one to me. I doubt that most English speakers even have enough knowledge of Romanian to say "Oh, I just can't learn Esperanto, it's too Romanian"
I suppose dwarf just had a little English problem. I think (s)he's actually talking about what Esperanto calls 'la latinidaj lingvoj' (I'm not sure about the English translation myself). In that case, I think the criticism is understandable, whereas according to my opinion, it isn't very valid. Perhaps one of the more experienced among you could tell dwarf (and me) more about the Asian-like structure of Esperanto?
Andreo
Islander (Pokaż profil) 7 lutego 2007, 20:19:43
I must agree, however, the "too-Romanian" even if refers to Romance based latin, would not be it. It can never be "too easy", basically.
erinja (Pokaż profil) 7 lutego 2007, 21:07:52
Islander (Pokaż profil) 7 lutego 2007, 21:35:21
Overall phrase construction, subject oriented gender (as opposed to object oriented of Romance languages), lack of a 2nd person singular pronoun... these are all examples of a Germanic based grammar.
My original Question, however, was not to list reasons why Espenrato did not become official (the fina venko as some may call it), but more to comment on how the English speaking culture, how predominent it became as the US and UK became economically superior and how their movies, music and other cultural artefacts had anything to do with it.
dwarf (Pokaż profil) 8 lutego 2007, 14:23:55
Or at least I didn't mean the modern Romanian. Although it might be that even that 'Romanian' argument would be valid. But sadly I don't know any Romanian to tell.