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Is Esperanto for losers?

от Demian, 31 октября 2011 г.

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mistermephisto (Показать профиль) 1 ноября 2011 г., 2:29:40

Honestly, I've never even thought of any kind of relation between Esperanto and losers. If anything, it seems like the complete opposite, given how much optimism is usually involved with Esperanto. I never thought people came to it as some form of relief, and I still don't think many people do, but I guess it depends on who you are.

Demian (Показать профиль) 1 ноября 2011 г., 3:27:52

gianich73:
However, if Esperanto is helping you to keep your sanity, then Esperanto is a winner.
You got the essence. Now my question is: how common is this? How many people come to Lernu! or the E-o chatroom to escape from real life problems or to keep their "sanity".

ceigered (Показать профиль) 1 ноября 2011 г., 6:51:01

Actually the chatroom itself depresses me rido.gif Every time I've said hi, people say bye - I just have really bad timing.

Mustelvulpo (Показать профиль) 1 ноября 2011 г., 13:03:44

In any occupation, hobby, pursuit, profession- in any setting at all- you'll find winners, losers, and those who are just along for the ride. Esperanto is no different. I think most of the people you find here have one thing in common- an interest in language- how it develops, how it works, why we say the things we do, and how we can better communicate with and understand each other.

gianich73 (Показать профиль) 1 ноября 2011 г., 13:09:39

Mustelvulpo:In any occupation, hobby, pursuit, profession- in any setting at all- you'll find winners, losers, and those who are just along for the ride. Esperanto is no different. I think most of the people you find here have one thing in common- an interest in language- how it develops, how it works, why we say the things we do, and how we can better communicate with and understand each other.
Beautifully said. Dankon (Thank you).

erinja (Показать профиль) 1 ноября 2011 г., 13:16:07

I think the Esperanto community is very accepting of all kinds of people. Therefore at Esperanto meetings you find some very nice, totally normal people, some of the best friends you will ever make. And you find some people who maybe look strange or have strange ideas, but are very nice, and you grow to appreciate them when you look past the unusual exterior. And there are also a few people who are just very strange, and perhaps also very annoying, and you try to avoid them. They probably have few or no friends, so Esperanto is their way of having some human contact with people. Since it isn't a crime to be strange, and it isn't a crime to be annoying, they are tolerated in the clubs; Esperantists are too polite to kick them out. But personally, I avoid them. Life is too short to spend with people who annoy me.

I think this is common with small organizations. My dad is a member of a local club that supports nature conservation and environmental issues, and it seems like they have a similar mix of people.

patrik (Показать профиль) 1 ноября 2011 г., 13:20:02

ceigered:Actually the chatroom itself depresses me rido.gif Every time I've said hi, people say bye - I just have really bad timing.
Time zone differences is to blame. You're way too early to most of us. lango.gif

I'm inclined to say "no", but who am I to say so? Really, the question irks me. Not that it's offensive, but it gives a negative impression. The word "loser" says it all.

Esperanto is for everyone, Esperanto is for all, regardless of attitudes and habits, even for Neo-Nazis and diehard racists, even for Randroids and Islamists...

qwertz (Показать профиль) 1 ноября 2011 г., 13:28:59

Demian:
Is Esperanto for losers?
For me Esperanto language is edutaining tool. Hopefully it also gets more entertaining.

Could you meant "nerds" instead of "losers"?

Mustelvulpo:In any occupation, hobby, pursuit, profession- in any setting at all- you'll find winners, losers, and those who are just along for the ride. Esperanto is no different. I think most of the people you find here have one thing in common- an interest in language- how it develops, how it works, why we say the things we do, and how we can better communicate with and understand each other.
I full agree to that. Very nice summary.

ceigered (Показать профиль) 1 ноября 2011 г., 13:36:32

erinja:And there are also a few people who are just very strange, and perhaps also very annoying, and you try to avoid them.
That's any convention/meetings for anything except for business - and in business, that's probably because you're not being paid to make friends dammit! I wanted that report 5 minutes ago! rido.gif

qwertz:Could you meant "nerds" instead of "losers"?
No he means "people who feel down, unaccepted". Nerds can be called (insultingly) losers, but "loser" is normally just used to describe people feeling down or lacking confidence. Which nerds can often be in their formative years due to having a higher interest in interesting stuff instead of an interest in the BS social interactions of their prepubescent friends okulumo.gif

qwertz (Показать профиль) 1 ноября 2011 г., 13:53:11

ceigered:
qwertz:Could you meant "nerds" instead of "losers"?
No he means "people who feel down, unaccepted". Nerds can be called (insultingly) losers, but "loser" is normally just used to describe people feeling down or lacking confidence. Which nerds can often be in their formative years due to having a higher interest in interesting stuff instead of an interest in the BS social interactions of their prepubescent friends okulumo.gif
So, would Nerds ever call themselves Loser?

Seems to be that doesn't excist an German word of English "Nerd" word concept. In German I don't remember calling somebody Loser/Verlierer. Okay, just for joking reasons to some friends. But that had never had an serious matter. Same way we could call joking each other "Alter" or Bavarian "Oida" (=old man). Looking for most arrogant phrases could be much of fun, too. I.e. Bavarian: Magst du mir mal beschleunigt zuarbeiten? Would you feel unhappy to "allaboroi" more rapidly? K.t.p. rido.gif

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