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by SEYMOUR, November 22, 2004

Messages: 4

Language: English

SEYMOUR (User's profile) November 22, 2004, 10:08:14 PM

I wonder if posible using abreviation in esperanto.

for instance instead of use  "estas,estis,estos,ect" isn't a whole lot better

if just use 'tas,tis,tos " sound more flexible and more manageable.

what do you think?

Machjo (User's profile) November 23, 2004, 11:53:42 AM

Hello, Seymore.  I'm not aware of such abreviations, but I am aware of the existance of stative verbs in Esperanto.  All you need to do is attach a verbal suffix to an adjectival root.  For example:

La birdo belas =La birdo estas bela = The bird is beautiful.  -is, -os, etc. can also be used in thsis way, thus eliminating the need for an adjective in the sentence, since the stative verb stands in its place.


I hope this helps.

boy-o (User's profile) July 4, 2005, 4:38:24 AM

there was a vola pug' comic I read once that had a bunch of mice talking to each other, and they used " 'stas or 'stis" to mean "estas" or "estis."  I'm not sure if this is a common thing, though it does seem logical to do if someone is talking really fast, kinda like how people meld "de" and "la" together (which is written "de l' " btw).

then again, I suppose they were trying to make the rats seem, well, lower class in the comic so they may have just done that to muss up their speech like a poverse, homeless esperantist might do.

Qwertie (User's profile) July 18, 2005, 6:34:32 AM

Wow, seymour, I had exactly the same thought to abbreviate est- as 't-... but sadly, things as basic as est- seem to be set in stone.  Besides, the naturalists (ie people who think that an IAL should look like a European language, or at least that all roots should come unmodified from some natural language) wouldn't like it.

From what I've seen, the verb forms of adjectives are not predictable; you can't necessarily add an 's' to an adjective an make a statal verb.  However, statal verbs are the most common type of verb formed from an adjective.


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