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ceigered (Показать профиль) 6 ноября 2011 г., 10:09:05
qwertz:Must be very funny sounding Anglo-Dutch-Norwegian Esperanto accent. I like accents very much as far it doesn't hinder understanding. Could be also some advantage of Esperanto: Holding personal identity by using someones native language accents and still be capable to "produce" spoken language outcome which can be understood. That's cool.Haha, I don't know if it's like that, unfortunately, I might just have a bad accent that's heavily influenced by the other germanic languages I've learnt bits and pieces of
I've heard German pronunciation can be both very flexible and very strict depending on who you're talking to, so if I ever use German I'll be very scared of the outcome!Interestingly, this subject of Esperanto and archaic words, is there such thing as an "archaic pronunciation" for Esperanto that's understandable yet clearly more classical sounding than standard Esperanto?
For English we only have to listen to either old people or pretend to be shakespeare, and it's a similar thing for other languages, but Esperanto sort of lacks that spoken distinction doesn't it? Maybe a heavy Polish accent is one solution, but I suspect a heavy Polish accent in Esperanto will sound, well, perfectly normal!
qwertz (Показать профиль) 6 ноября 2011 г., 10:21:37
It needs much more linguistic proof of concept testbeds. Laŭ mi, as far someones gets understood, that doesn't matter very much. I.e. of course, German spoken with Slavic accents (01:20 min) could sound strange for me like an German native speaker. As far I got the idea, its fine for me. I have some friends who have some kind of internal conflicts either being German or being Slavic (Serbian, Russian, Polish). I always tell them that they are European. And that Europe needs their Lebensfreude/ joie de vivre. 
darkweasel (Показать профиль) 6 ноября 2011 г., 10:28:46
ceigered (Показать профиль) 6 ноября 2011 г., 11:48:16
darkweasel:There’s another thread about archaic and modern use which you may find useful.I liked your suggestion of using "precise" constructions instead of the more compact usages like "en tiu ĉi aŭtuno" instead of "ĉi-aŭtuno" I think you suggested?
Perhaps to mimic an archaic pronunciation, you could pronounce things overly precise, e.g. long rolled Rs, heavy aspiration, deep/strong vowels, sort of like in an opera
qwertz (Показать профиль) 6 ноября 2011 г., 12:51:39
ceigered:I like long rolled Rs and I don't receive it archaic. I also like the Dutch and Sviss German accent/sound. Me by myself have very much trouble to produce an long rolling R. In my opinion an long rolling R also gives some interesting sound to someones who speaks non-nuance Hochdeutsch accent Esperanto. Franconian are doing very well with rolling Rs. Its quite interesting to focus hearing of different R sung by Patrik (Dolchamar; the most current version doesn't contain any ".."'s. Sorry for that old version). I.e. melodic spoken/sung "vortojn por papermuelil" or "eterna" sounds very nice.
Perhaps to mimic an archaic pronunciation, you could pronounce things overly precise, e.g. long rolled Rs, heavy aspiration, deep/strong vowels, sort of like in an opera
erinja (Показать профиль) 6 ноября 2011 г., 14:21:27
cFlat7 (Показать профиль) 6 ноября 2011 г., 14:41:23
erinja (Показать профиль) 6 ноября 2011 г., 15:04:55
ceigered (Показать профиль) 6 ноября 2011 г., 16:13:09
erinja:There is no "archaic" pronunciation of Esperanto.Well, obviously, but we can always try to come up with a good alternative for this gaping lack
qwertz:I like long rolled Rs and I don't receive it archaic.Well, I didn't mean they sounded archaic, but they sound emphatic, or like "stage pronunciation" - that emphatic sound crossed with the wording suggested by darkweasel in the thread he linked to could give a "old/archane" feel to the speech, like an old 900 year old man spouting words of wisdom from some sort of holy book
I mean, look at "old fashioned" pastors and preachers, with their heavy emphasis on certain syllables of words for no real reason in particular other than to sound like some sort of wise prophet of old, or empowered by some sort of ancient, unfathomable knowledge.
Then compare that to the way, say, a news reporter or footballer would speak
qwertz (Показать профиль) 6 ноября 2011 г., 17:00:42
ceigered:I have no much reasons to visit a church so I don't know how it sounds like. My whole life I only visited three or four times a church during Christmas. I remember one time it was some cool Gospel music concert, which is somewhat historically seen like religious origin of Hip Hop culture. (See 04:20 minute at The Art of Rhyme)
I mean, look at "old fashioned" pastors and preachers, with their heavy emphasis on certain syllables of words for no real reason in particular other than to sound like some sort of wise prophet of old, or empowered by some sort of ancient, unfathomable knowledge.
ceigered:Yes, I understand. They try to follow their high speed pictures inside which produces an rapid fire speaking style output. Contrary more auditive preferenced folks hear to their own voice and often to the vibrations of their own voice. For professional singers that could be much important to organize their breath. Excample Stefo at 02:49 min has to play the chord again due to missing breath. Breathing only(?) can be noticed auditive (digital amplifed via monitor speakers) or personal kinesthetics. I really admire that ability of multitasking by musicans (playing guitar chords pattern, remember lyrics, organize breath, feel relaxed in front of a audience etc. at once. Pooh.)
Then compare that to the way, say, a news reporter or footballer would speak
Btw. and something off-topic: To organize breathing more foresighted I also prefer vertical running Karaoke lyric lines instead of traditional horizontal running Karaoke line switching lyrics. Hopefully that could give folks some initial motivation to develop themselves to new famous Esperanto musican.
Mostly humans have a mix of that visual, auditive and kinesthetic preferences. I like Autorenlesungen/author readings where writer read parts of their own books. Probably they create some similar ambience like at a religious priests blessing/prayer.