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darkweasel (Näytä profiilli) 26. joulukuuta 2011 9.34.36
erinja:This one is my favorite. It’s just the users who should learn not to discuss the proposals too much.
2) Leave things as they are.
Kirilo81 (Näytä profiilli) 26. joulukuuta 2011 11.02.46
erinja:+1!
4) Make a forum like the one in number 3, but make it Esperanto only. Include a FAQ on why we don't reform, in all of the site's languages.
+ cut off newbies who don't bother learning the language before asking for reforms
- cut off newbies who are not trolls but have a genuine question that they are unable to ask in Esperanto. Unfortunately these threads with sincere newbie questions also tend to draw in trolls and people who won't let go of a topic, so the newbie unwittingly spawns the thread that won't die. The hope would be that the FAQ would adequately answer these questions.
Chainy (Näytä profiilli) 26. joulukuuta 2011 13.33.03
erinja:3) Add a forum on language reforms but make it clear that it's for discussions of reform attempts, past and present. Include a FAQ on why we don't reform.I suppose that's a polite way of saying 'moan bin', as I suggested a while back!
+ This forum has a slightly more historical bias, so it gives less impression that Esperanto is open to reforms
- May still be encouraging to people who think Esperanto can be reformed.
It's quite easy to think of the topics that would need to be covered in the FAQ. It's always the same grumbles that crop up.
The only difficulty is creating thorough enough answers to the 'complaints'. And even if they are thorough, the type of person that loves to moan about this kind of thing is usually the type of person that can't be bothered reading such details.
I'd be tempted to have this section in Esperanto only, but then there will be a whole bunch of newbies that will somehow get the impression that some huge nasty conspiracy is at play.
Ultimately, I'm not sure that such a new forum section would actually be of much help. The passionate discussions on this kind of thing would take place anyway. Even now, users of the forum can easily ignore them, but they don't. I'm sure they wouldn't ignore them in the proposed new forum, either.
Chainy (Näytä profiilli) 26. joulukuuta 2011 14.22.27
darkweasel:Yes, I'm tempted by the 'leave things as they are' option, too!erinja:This one is my favorite. It’s just the users who should learn not to discuss the proposals too much.
2) Leave things as they are.
After all, if option 4 is chosen (the Esperanto version of the moan bin), then what would the point be? We already have the 'Konsultejo' where such things can be discussed in Esperanto.
In the case of option 3, what language would it be in? Would there be a 'moan bin' attached to each national language forum, or would there be one central multi-lingual forum for such things?
Perhaps the best solution is to leave the forums as they are, but to beef up the FAQ section so that there are ready-made answers which can be linked to in the forums. Hopefully, such improved FAQs would then reduce the need to waffle on about the same thing again and again in the forums!
cFlat7 (Näytä profiilli) 26. joulukuuta 2011 16.22.43
As a convenience, Lernu! could even provide a button to post a pre-worded message to this effect.
RiotNrrd (Näytä profiilli) 26. joulukuuta 2011 18.48.31
You certainly don't want the forum to be in Esperanto. Reformers generally don't, on the whole, tend to speak Esperanto all that well.
I'm happy to let reform minded individuals float their proposals in some other language more comfortable to them. As long as they do it over there they can go to town with accusative hating, correlative hating, gender complaints, spelling reforms, objections to adjectival agreement, ci, ri, ŝli, na, iĉ, and whatever other bright idea of the moment suddenly appeals, and I won't have the slightest problem with it.
So, what language should such a forum be in? Well, one could make the case that it's already in English, so why change it?
sudanglo (Näytä profiilli) 26. joulukuuta 2011 19.09.01
Chainy (Näytä profiilli) 26. joulukuuta 2011 19.13.36
sudanglo:Can't we just send the 'reformers' to the Conlang Society. I'm sure that they would be welcome there.Yes, it can be found here. The only problem is that there's no forum at the moment, only some mailing lists. However, perhaps some disgruntled reformer might make the effort to start a forum over there?
cFlat7 (Näytä profiilli) 26. joulukuuta 2011 19.27.13
RiotNrrd:So, what language should such a forum be in? Well, one could make the case that it's already in English, so why change it?Is it possible that there are reform postings in the other language forums?
darkweasel (Näytä profiilli) 26. joulukuuta 2011 19.33.38
cFlat7:IIRC there were some more than a year ago in the French-language forum, and in 2007 in the German-language one (but I wasn't registered back then, I just saw them when browsing old threads).RiotNrrd:So, what language should such a forum be in? Well, one could make the case that it's already in English, so why change it?Is it possible that there are reform postings in the other language forums?