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Formation of a compound word in Esperanto

de rajomishoro, 2012-januaro-30

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rajomishoro (Montri la profilon) 2012-januaro-30 01:46:51

Saluton Amikoj!
I am new to Esperanto.
I have some problem regarding
formation of a compound word in
Esperanto.
For example: a diary is called taglibro in
esperanto,
cant' we call a diary librtago?
If we cannot, please tell me why.
What rule governs the formation
of a compound word in Esperanto?
I have seen a single word can
express a whole idea/sentence in
Esperanto,
do we have specific rule
regarding it or are we free to put the 'roots' in any order?

patrik (Montri la profilon) 2012-januaro-30 05:32:29

rajomishoro:Saluton Amikoj! I am new to Esperanto. I have some problem regarding formation of a compound word in Esperanto. For example: a diary is called taglibro in esperanto, cant' we call a diary librtago? If we cannot, please tell me why.

What rule governs the formation of a compound word in Esperanto? I have seen a single word can express a whole idea/sentence in Esperanto, do we have specific rule regarding it or are we free to put the 'roots' in any order?
I hope that this explanation can help you. okulumo.gif

P.S. "librtago" is hard to pronounce.

sudanglo (Montri la profilon) 2012-januaro-30 10:39:42

When you get further in to your Esperanto studies, you may come across some extremely involved descriptions of the mechanisms of word compounding in Esperanto.

You can safely ignore these and go by your common sense, provided you remember two things.

1. The main element in a compound word comes at the end.

2. In the case of some words the main element is the finaĵo.

Your principle problem in the beginning will be recognizing the elements in a compound word (parsing it, if you will).

So, filino, is a daughter (fil-ino) and not filthy flax (fi-lino).

The different parsings of compound words is source of Esperanto jokes.

There are many 'karamboloj' in Esperanto, where a word is capable of more than one parsing, but it is really rare in practice that this causes a problem. Context makes it clear.

Here are some more for your entertainment.

Kataro - a collection of cats, or catarrh?
Karnavalo - a carnival, or a bosomy woman's cleavage?
Intimo - intimacy, or a fear of women?

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2012-januaro-30 13:02:59

The order of Esperanto roots in compounds is usually the same as the order we'd use in English, when using one noun to describe another.

Therefore a diary can easily be understood as a "day book" (a book, which has to do with the days of someone's life). A "book day" sounds like it's a day celebrating books. Therefore "taglibro" is a diary or journal; a "librotago" is a day in honor of books.

The central o in a compound word can be included or left out, depending on ease of pronunciation. Although "taglibro" is the most common word for diary, "tagolibro" is also correct. For our imaginary Book Day, Librotago is just as correct as Librtago, and even preferable, because it is easier to pronounce.

Put the roots in the order that makes the most logical sense to you, and you'll do fine.

chrisim101010 (Montri la profilon) 2012-januaro-30 14:23:14

When i was learning, i broke the word down into adjectives and nouns.

Taglibro
Taga libro
Day book

Librtago
Libra tago
Book day

Breaking it down like that, Taglibro fits the description best.

sudanglo (Montri la profilon) 2012-januaro-30 23:15:29

For an English speaker there is nothing surprising about the order of elements in Esperanto compounds.

I am curious Raj. What tempted you to think that the word for a diary (which is a sort of book, and not a sort of day) could be expressed by librotago?

Mustelvulpo (Montri la profilon) 2012-januaro-31 00:59:52

I always thought of it this way: when you see a compound, look at the last element. That's the main idea. A taglibro is a kind of "libro." A librotago is a kind of "tago."

rajomishoro (Montri la profilon) 2012-januaro-31 12:19:43

patrik:
rajomishoro:Saluton Amikoj! I am new to Esperanto. I have some problem regarding formation of a compound word in Esperanto. For example: a diary is called taglibro in esperanto, cant' we call a diary librtago? If we cannot, please tell me why.

What rule governs the formation of a compound word in Esperanto? I have seen a single word can express a whole idea/sentence in Esperanto, do we have specific rule regarding it or are we free to put the 'roots' in any order?
I hope that this explanation can help you. okulumo.gif

P.S. "librtago" is hard to pronounce.
Thanks for the link. Its really helpful.

rajomishoro (Montri la profilon) 2012-januaro-31 12:45:56

sudanglo:For an English speaker there is nothing surprising about the order of elements in Esperanto compounds.

I am curious Raj. What tempted you to think that the word for a diary (which is a sort of book, and not a sort of day) could be expressed by librotago?
Firstly,
A million thanks to you for your support.

Actualy I bought a new diary to take notes about Esperanto.
Now it was time to give a title to it.
I was thinking for a single word in Esperanto expressing the idea of "my language diary. Being a beganer I searched throug dictionary. I constructed/ coined a word "mialangovtaglibro".
I was not sure about it being right.

To be sure about it I asked that question.

I did not ask about "mialangovtaglibro" for the fear of being a "laughing stock" in the forum.
Now my "mind" is giving me another problem:
How to express the idea of "linguistically written my language diary"?

darkweasel (Montri la profilon) 2012-januaro-31 14:06:44

mia lingva taglibro

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