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de Hyperboreus, 2012-marto-13

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Hyperboreus (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-13 18:32:10

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erinja (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-13 20:21:22

I have never heard of "indiano" being considered rude in Esperanto. In the United States, "Indian" or "American Indian" is not considered offensive or rude. I visited the US National Powwow one year, when it was held in Washington, DC. The people there certainly referred to themselves as Indians or American Indians (and that terminology is used on the website for this year's National Powwow as well).

"Native American" is more general. "American Indian" does not include native Hawaiians or northern groups such as the Inuit, but "Native American" does include those groups.

I tend to use the term "indiĝenulo" (indigenous person) to talk about native peoples in general, of any continent of the world. It could be an Australian aborigine, it could be a native American, etc. It would be "amerika indiĝenulo" if you wanted to specify the Americas, "aŭstralia indiĝenulo" for Australians, and so forth for any place in the world.

Hyperboreus (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-13 20:26:08

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vejktoro (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-14 04:29:47

Hyperboreus:Thank you very much. So my (spanishly infused) doubts about "indiano" were unnecessary.

Btw: If you ever talk in Spanish about or to indians, do NOT use "indio".
It ain't cool in Canada either... just so ya know.

komenstanto (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-14 04:40:10

Admittedly, I am an American and I never say "Indian". I always write or say "Native American", because "indian" sounds sort of like something I said as a small child, or something you would see in a children's history book, like "the pilgrims meet the Indians on thanksgiving" with a children's cartoon.

Nevertheless, even if I do write Indian sometimes for the sake of brevity, it is not a bad thing in the USA, as you can see here in this article, the word "indian" is used:

http://www.nathanielturner.com/originofviolencei...

acdibble (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-14 05:50:45

Around here, we use Indian, and we also live next to an Indian reservation.

lingvokapablo (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-14 13:13:37

It's really interesting to hear that it's okay to say "Indian" in the US because I was always taught that it was NOT okay to say it because it was offensive to Native Americans. I guess my upbringing was different than the rest of y'alls.

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-14 13:18:09

The US Census Bureau reports that most people of Indian descent preferred to refer to themselves as Indians.

On websites etc relating to Native Americans, the term "Indian" seems to be the overwhelming choice.

I think that sometimes, outsiders decide that a term is offensive, without bothering to ask those inside that group whether it's offensive.

I have noticed this trend a little bit with the word "Jew". Some non-Jews seem to prefer to use the term "Jewish person" because they think "Jew" is offensive. Maybe people use the word as an insult, but that's the problem of the person using it as an insult, not a problem with the word. Most Jews and Jewish groups use the word "Jew".

komenstanto (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-14 13:36:35

The only Indians I see are derelict military veterans. I guess what drives them to defend the white man's land is the same thing that drives all Americans to join the military: basically having no experience and coming from low income families, the potential benefits of military service are attractive. I noticed one picture of Creek Indians in Afghanistan making traditional indian food in military uniform.

lingvokapablo (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-14 13:37:36

erinja:The US Census Bureau reports that most people of Indian descent preferred to refer to themselves as Indians.

On websites etc relating to Native Americans, the term "Indian" seems to be the overwhelming choice.

I think that sometimes, outsiders decide that a term is offensive, without bothering to ask those inside that group whether it's offensive.
Ahh, so like African American vs. Black, then?

erinja:I have noticed this trend a little bit with the word "Jew". Some non-Jews seem to prefer to use the term "Jewish person" because they think "Jew" is offensive. Maybe people use the word as an insult, but that's the problem of the person using it as an insult, not a problem with the word. Most Jews and Jewish groups use the word "Jew".
Interestingly enough, I slightly cringe when I hear the word "Jew" as well. Unfortantely, I have heard the word used in more derogatory contexts, so that naturally does influence me. As such, I tend to avoid that word as well, and just stick to "Jewish" rather than "Jew."

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