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Nationality in Esperanto

de rcardwell1988, 2012-marto-17

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darkweasel (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 16:30:07

komenstanto:I might take a pass on using "ujo" for naming nations. It sounds weird for a nation to be a container of this kind, as ujo can be attached to numerous little things that might even signify a holster of some kind. Since there are alternatives, I see no reason to follow this pedantic line of naming.
I do see one: the easiness of the language. Please just search the forum in order to find numerous explanations.
komenstanto:
And obviously the reason to have just one system of nation-naming is that the idea of "ano" is turned into an insult,
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sudanglo (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 17:38:44

I might take a pass on using "ujo" for naming nations
Actually ujo is used for naming countries. My nationality is Brita not Brituja.

How many other words would you like to take a pass on? Humpty Dumpty lives!!

komenstanto (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 17:43:32

You dont understand what I meant.

I know how to say British as Brita, but why not Britano? Why do we in the USA suffer under "Usonano?" Why am I not just Usona?

I find it should be one thing or the other. If you dont like using "ano" then it should be dropped from the language, and all lands live under the same naming system.

England is just like the USA: you are mongrels and have many minorities and immigrants. There is no reason for you to be a Brito of I can't be an Usono.

The reason I am complaining is because innately I am a non-conformist and will not just accept things verbatim. If I was a conformist, then I probably wouldnt learn Esperanto, so dont expect me to take your rules blindly.

sudanglo (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 17:59:59

Why am I not just Usona?
You may well be Usona - just as 'pants' in la Usona dialekto de la angla is the word for 'trousers'. Parlez-vous la Usonan?

komenstanto (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 18:23:24

Yes, but in Esperanto I sort of assumed that we would be leaving provincialisms like pants versus trousers. Incidentally in Turkey they call them "Pantaloons". It may have been silly of me, but I thought such national differences would no longer be a problem, sort of like Esperanto runs on the 24 hour clock, we are trying to build an INTERNATIONAL STANDARD. These little irregularities do not seem like international standards.

Frankly, these little irregularities are what you in England call "takin' a piss."

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 20:56:26

komenstanto:The reason I am complaining is because innately I am a non-conformist and will not just accept things verbatim. If I was a conformist, then I probably wouldnt learn Esperanto, so dont expect me to take your rules blindly.
I'm having trouble understanding your reasoning in any of your messages. I can't really argue for or against any of your points because I have no idea what you're talking about.

Esperanto is a language that has certain words to describe certain people, places, things, and actions.

If you choose to use words other than the ones that have been used for the last 125 years of Esperanto history, you risk not being understood.

The fact of the matter is that you can non-conform all you want. But if you want to speak and be understood, then a certain amount of conformance would be required, like it or not.

Of course you are also free to speak as you wish and not be understood. You are free to make up your own name for the United States and use it. But don't be surprised if people are constantly correcting you, supposing that you simply misremembered the Esperanto name for the USA, or that you didn't know it (much like the creator of this thread is constantly corrected regarding his use of a non-standard name for Korea)

I think that it would be tiresome, to have people correcting you constantly. But maybe you don't mind.

komenstanto (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 21:00:50

125 years is plenty of time for a bunch of people who had nothing to do with the creation of the language to pass it around from each other and form irregular rules. I would be interested in speaking the original Esperanto language that Zamenhof created. Are there any people who speak it?

Or is there a language with regularities rather than this Hoakie Dokie naming system that sort of waddles like a duck?

Or must all merely bow in blind obedience to some even greater step forward into monoculturalism?

Perhaps we should guard the only differences nations have now, before we are sucked into some Esperant-McDonald's world of fast food and minimalist language across the globe, lest we become pidgin talking cheeseburger eating yahoos from one end of the planet to the other.

After all, apparently Esperantists in Japan dont care about the native language of the Ainu in their north. And since even Okinawans dont exist, there is a good chance Esperanto is merely an aspect of monoculture and will become part of advanced capitalism.

Chainy (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 21:16:25

komenstanto:I would be interested in speaking the original Esperanto language that Zamenhof created. Are there any people who speak it?
Why don't you actually try reading some texts written by Zamenhof? I think you'll find it a pleasant surprise.

komenstanto (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 21:21:29

Chainy:
komenstanto:I would be interested in speaking the original Esperanto language that Zamenhof created. Are there any people who speak it?
Why don't you actually try reading some texts written by Zamenhof? I think you'll find it a pleasant surprise.
Any recommendations for reading materials?

marcuscf (Montri la profilon) 2012-marto-18 22:03:40

I'll just post some links since I'm not in the mood to discuss this all over again...

http://www.esperanto.org/Ondo/Ondo/163-lode.htm#...

http://www.delbarrio.eu/2008/09/mi-ne-plu-nomos-...

tl;dr: You can always use -an if you prefer, and you do not need to ask for permission or support here.

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