Tin nhắn: 19
Nội dung: English
RiotNrrd (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 18:14:55 Ngày 24 tháng 3 năm 2012
Remember: vote early, vote often!
Leke (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 20:15:03 Ngày 24 tháng 3 năm 2012
I can't even guess what implications this will have for Esperanto though. It could give a neutral language more of an allure by means of pure communication without the mainstream benefits -- who knows?
patrik (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 04:37:58 Ngày 25 tháng 3 năm 2012
erinja:Amen to this. And maybe some paranoid would cry, "This is a conspiracy!"sudanglo:I wonder what they make of this at the Economist.That there has been an organised campaign by Esperantists, no doubt.
This is why the results of online polls can't be trusted as being representative of public opinion.
RiotNrrd (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 06:44:34 Ngày 25 tháng 3 năm 2012
Esperantists aren't really an organized bunch, though, any more than Brazilian Portuguese speakers are (I mean, they could REALLY stuff the ballots if they wanted - they've got a MUCH bigger population behind them than we do). I'm sure this thread led to Esperanto getting a few more votes than it otherwise would have, but I seriously doubt it was enough to push the numbers up like that.
But, yeah, I can imagine accusations of renegade Esperanto hackers, operating from locations couched in the darker areas of the web, spoofing IP addresses and submitting extra votes here and there; nothing obvious, you know, no sudden 5000 vote increases or anything like that. Just a slow, steady stream of "Esperanto" votes, with no pattern to them, and from all over, too (those Esperantists are incredibly international, shoot, looks like we even got one vote from an Antarctica server, wow), everything looks like it checks out, and what do you know, Esperanto is now in the lead by just 195 votes, take a look at that. Close, but still kind of decisive.
I suppose.
But really. Really? C'mon.
Seems unlikely...
sudanglo (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 09:27:56 Ngày 25 tháng 3 năm 2012
Leke:They wrote about how software and technology will replace the need for people to learn another language, which is a something I hadn't even realised yet.The likelihood of advances in technology producing a portable aural/oral translation device and the implications for Esperanto was discussed in the Forums some months ago.
I can't even guess what implications this will have for Esperanto though.
The idea of an earpiece, that allows you to understand what is said in another language, can be traced back at least as far as the Babelfish in Douglas Adams' 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy' - and didn't they have a Universal Translator in early episodes of Star Trek.
I don't know what happened to that though, as in later episodes we had to sit through the aliens rasping away in Klingon.
hebda999 (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 16:45:24 Ngày 25 tháng 3 năm 2012
Leke (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 04:56:35 Ngày 26 tháng 3 năm 2012
hebda999:Don't expect any intelligent machine translations any time soon. First an intelligent machine has to be created, and this is a long way into the future.I think we have the machine already. It's called a mobile device.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sKlJBUtd8s
This hacker has mashed his speech recognition with google translate to produce...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpjMlVPvfT8
Cool eh?
There is such a competitive mobile software development field at the moment, it wouldn't surprise me if we saw one next week.
hebda999 (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 05:22:25 Ngày 26 tháng 3 năm 2012
Leke:Yes, we have one, if you like stupid machine translation. I talk about intelligent translation, that is a difference. Language is not a code. It is not enough to translate words or idioms. A translator has to understand the text to translate it correctly in general. Machines do not understand, they use statistics or lookup tables, so sometimes they produce nonsense (even humans do make mistakes in translations).hebda999:Don't expect any intelligent machine translations any time soon. First an intelligent machine has to be created, and this is a long way into the future.I think we have the machine already. It's called a mobile device.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sKlJBUtd8s
This hacker has mashed his speech recognition with google translate to produce...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpjMlVPvfT8
Cool eh?
There is such a competitive mobile software development field at the moment, it wouldn't surprise me if we saw one next week.
ceigered (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 09:09:17 Ngày 26 tháng 3 năm 2012
It's only a problem if you try to interface a intelligent understanding machine with a computer translator since then you'll just have hilarious misunderstandings
BTW, I have to admit I am a bit disappointed by these polls, it's given that everyone who has a contacts list full of people passionate for a given language will be going "VOTE FOR THIS LANGUAGE BRETHREN!". Makes it hard to see what a reasonable sample of people would think. That's the clincher with voluntary voting
Brazilian portuguese is a bit interesting though, still confused as to why Mandarin is so low along with Russian, they're both important languages, particularly in diplomacy.
Then again, there's been a lot of talk about Brazilian. Something about them being a potential future superpower? That'd be cool. Brazil seems like a more responsible super power than.. various other candidates...