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Katetino or Katineto?

ya Betka, 14 Septemba 2007

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Betka (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 14 Septemba 2007 3:06:52 alasiri

I am a complete beginner in Esperanto.

Anyways, yesterday I learned, that adding "in" to the noun makes it female.

Kato+ in=Katino

Today I learned that adding "et" makes a noun smaller.

Kato+et= Kateto

However, what if I wanted to say female kitty. Would it be "Katetino" or "Katineto"?

mnlg (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 14 Septemba 2007 3:26:48 alasiri

Betka:However, what if I wanted to say female kitty. Would it be "Katetino" or "Katineto"?
katetino = a female small cat
katineto = a small female cat

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Betka (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 14 Septemba 2007 3:32:50 alasiri

Thanks. Wow, Esperanto is really flexible...

taneli (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 15 Septemba 2007 8:05:32 alasiri

mnlg:
Betka:However, what if I wanted to say female kitty. Would it be "Katetino" or "Katineto"?
katetino = a female small cat
katineto = a small female cat

pick your favourite ridulo.gif
Actually, people almost invariably pick "a small female cat" in English and "katineto" in Esperanto. (Try searching on the net and compare numbers of hits.)

Besides, the Esperanto for "a female kitten" is "katidino". ("Kitty" basically means "kitten", but it is affectionately used about any kind of cat, big or small, young or old.) There the order of the suffixes is essential; it'd be rather pointless to say "katinido", as that'd mean "a kitten of a female cat", which is exactly the same as "kitten".

RiotNrrd (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 16 Septemba 2007 2:50:39 asubuhi

Betka:However, what if I wanted to say female kitty. Would it be "Katetino" or "Katineto"?
Heh. I posted this EXACT same question maybe a year or so ago, as I have a small female cat (six years old, now, so definitely not a kitten).

I always use "katetino", but I think either one will do the trick.

mnlg (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 16 Septemba 2007 10:41:29 asubuhi

taneli:Actually, people almost invariably pick "a small female cat" in English and "katineto" in Esperanto.
English has a definite order for adjectives (1) so I agree with you on that one. As for esperanto, even though there can be a more common pick, my point is that in this specific case the difference is negligible. At least I am not aware of a rule on preferable order.

(1) http://web2.uvcs.uvic.ca/elc/studyzone/410/gramm...

Betka (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 16 Septemba 2007 1:17:06 alasiri

Actually, people almost invariably pick "a small female cat" in English and "katineto" in Esperanto. (Try searching on the net and compare numbers of hits.)

Besides, the Esperanto for "a female kitten" is "katidino". ("Kitty" basically means "kitten", but it is affectionately used about any kind of cat, big or small, young or old.) There the order of the suffixes is essential; it'd be rather pointless to say "katinido", as that'd mean "a kitten of a female cat", which is exactly the same as "kitten".
My cat isn't really a kitten anymore (two and a half years), but I still refer to her as "kitty", because she's so cute, and sweet. "Katetino" sounds better to me, but since "katineto" is more common, I'll use both.

Thanks for the help.

taneli (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 24 Septemba 2007 12:11:39 asubuhi

mnlg:
taneli:Actually, people almost invariably pick "a small female cat" in English and "katineto" in Esperanto.
English has a definite order for adjectives (1) so I agree with you on that one. As for esperanto, even though there can be a more common pick, my point is that in this specific case the difference is negligible. At least I am not aware of a rule on preferable order.

(1) http://web2.uvcs.uvic.ca/elc/studyzone/410/gramm...
Right. In fact, I totally agree with you. I was just pointing out what people do choose, not trying to tell what they should choose. Personally, I prefer "katineto" (perhaps by analogy to "fratineto"), but I don't see any real reason to object to "katetino" either. Come to think of it, I feel "fratetino" would be an odd form, but I wouldn't call it wrong.

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