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"dz" pronounciation

จาก logixoul, 4 กันยายน 2005

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ภาษา: English

logixoul (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 4 กันยายน 2005, 14:34:55

Am I supposed to pronounce the "dz" in words like "midzi" and "edzo" like a cluster or an affricate?

Ĉu mi supozita diri la "dz" en vortoj kiel "midzi" kaj "edzo" kiel grapolo aŭ (?!)plodaĵorektalaŭgradeellasiaero?

russ (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 17 พฤศจิกายน 2008, 10:17:25

logixoul:Am I supposed to pronounce the "dz" in words like "midzi" and "edzo" like a cluster or an affricate?
Simply as a "d" followed by a "z".
Sort of like the end of the English "beds" (note that the final sound of that English word has a z-sound, not an s-sound, in most English dialects I'm aware of).

Matthieu (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 17 พฤศจิกายน 2008, 17:08:59

Pronounce it as you like.

I couldn't tell how I pronounce it, because I am unable to hear any difference between “ts” and “c”.

Miland (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 17 พฤศจิกายน 2008, 19:17:02

logixoul:Am I supposed to pronounce the "dz" in words like "midzi" and "edzo" like a cluster or an affricate?
Aren't africates or affricates just a subset of consonant clusters? Anyway, if so, d is a stop and z is a fricative, so IMHO dz is africate, and, by implication, a consonant cluster. rideto.gif

webgovernor (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 18 พฤศจิกายน 2008, 19:34:20

Mutusen:Pronounce it as you like.

I couldn't tell how I pronounce it, because I am unable to hear any difference between “ts” and “c”.
I was unaware of a difference with "ts" and "c". These sounds exists in English as well, "pence, hence, cents", and they all sound the same essentially, the "c" is just a little quicker than the "ts".

However, I've heard some people "claim" to be able to hear a difference, but I would suggest that there dialects are subjected to waveform analysis.

If there is a difference, I cannot hear it either.

Zafur (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 24 พฤศจิกายน 2008, 22:59:58

I didn't notice one either. The only difference I can think of is that the t in "ts" is stronger than in "c". When I pronounce "Hence" it's almost a complete "s" sound. But I pronounce ts with a noticeable t.

ceigered (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 26 พฤศจิกายน 2008, 13:21:04

Can you *slackly* pronounce the 'c' as a 's' in words like 'participo' and 'scias'? It takes me forever to pronounce it as 'partitsipo' and 'stsias'.

mnlg (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 26 พฤศจิกายน 2008, 13:25:35

ceigered:Can you *slackly* pronounce the 'c' as a 's' in words like 'participo' and 'scias'? It takes me forever to pronounce it as 'partitsipo' and 'stsias'.
Of course you can. But it's not correct. ridulo.gif

Seriously, most people won't care, on the contrary, they will be pleased that you are making the effort. Also, having conversation is one of the best tools to practice and if you practice enough, it will get more and more natural to pronounce such combinations.

To practice "sc" just try rests, tests, feasts, and so on.

ceigered (แสดงโปรไฟล์) 26 พฤศจิกายน 2008, 14:46:42

mnlg:
Of course you can. But it's not correct. ridulo.gif

Seriously, most people won't care, on the contrary, they will be pleased that you are making the effort. Also, having conversation is one of the best tools to practice and if you practice enough, it will get more and more natural to pronounce such combinations.

To practice "sc" just try rests, tests, feasts, and so on.
cheers, I guess I need to hear it spoken a bit to gain confidence though.

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