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Why the N --need help for grammar

od uživatele EoMy ze dne 22. května 2012

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Jazyk: English

Hyperboreus (Ukázat profil) 23. května 2012 6:10:05

Forigite

fajrkapo (Ukázat profil) 23. května 2012 8:54:21

RiotNrrd:
RiotNrrd:The accusative -n can be used to replace any preposition, whether it's describing a measurement or not.
Not that I necessarily think it should.

The replacement of prepositions by the accusative case has always struck me as somewhat inelegant, and potentially confusing. I much prefer using adverbs, which basically do the same thing without making you wonder how that intransitive verb got a direct object, look at that -n, that's really weird, oh wait, that's right, preposition, duh.
I said if you could give an example of any preposition replaced by -n, but i see you answered yourself mem ridulo.gif

sudanglo (Ukázat profil) 23. května 2012 9:11:27

The only examples I could find in the Tekstaro, HB, were :

kiu datumis de Ludoviko XIVa, kaj kies refaron oni opiniis senutila, ĉar ĝi superis krutaĵon ducentmetre profundan

kaj tie vivas la gigantuloj, tridek fute altaj

I could find no hits with larĝa or longa. So the conclusion is that the normal way is N metrojn longa/larĝa/profunda etc.

In theory, N-metre M-a is perfectly valid Esperanto.

darkweasel (Ukázat profil) 23. května 2012 10:37:25

黄鸡蛋:
sudanglo:The only examples I could find in the Tekstaro, HB, were :

kiu datumis de Ludoviko XIVa, kaj kies refaron oni opiniis senutila, ĉar ĝi superis krutaĵon ducentmetre profundan

kaj tie vivas la gigantuloj, tridek fute altaj

I could find no hits with larĝa or longa. So the conclusion is that the normal way is N metrojn longa/larĝa/profunda etc.

In theory, N-metre M-a is perfectly valid Esperanto.
By the way, is tridek fute altaj ok or should it be tridekfute altaj?
IMO the second one.

RiotNrrd (Ukázat profil) 23. května 2012 16:27:36

Hyperboreus:Could you give some source that explains using adverbs for measurements or some Zamenhofian text that uses it that way?
I can't. As sudanglo said, it's theoretically correct. However, it seems that using the accusative for measurements is considerably more customary.

That could be because using the accusative to replace prepositions in general can generate some potentially confusing constructions, but in measurements it's kind of obvious what's going on, so the potential for confusion is quite a bit less.

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