Newspaper clipping from 1911: "Ido or Esperanto?"
od uživatele chrisim101010 ze dne 28. července 2012
Příspěvky: 104
Jazyk: English
SPX (Ukázat profil) 10. srpna 2012 18:09:50
creedelambard:The correlatives, for me, are a nightmare. That and the accusative.
I didn't find the correlatives all that hard. Once you can separate kiom from kiam and kiel from kial, the rest is relatively easy.
erinja (Ukázat profil) 10. srpna 2012 21:10:57
creedelambard:I keep having to look up ankaŭ and ankoraŭ to remember which is which, for instance.However, once you've got them straight, you'll at least have two words under your belt should you ever study Italian; ankaŭ = anche, ankoraŭ = ancora
RiotNrrd (Ukázat profil) 11. srpna 2012 19:21:04
SPX:The correlatives, for me, are a nightmare. That and the accusative.Heh. Welcome to my world, circa six years ago.
Seriously, I could have written that. In fact, I probably did, at some point. Those very things were my two main stumbling blocks.
All the correlatives freaking. looked. the. same. Gaah! OK, it's a "k" word. What's that mean again? Question. Right. The "i" is a bingo free-space, so skip past that. And an "am". What's that? Time. OK, time question. When. Criminy, I have to do this with every one? It's like 10% of the words in any text are these stupid identical correlatives. They were like a form of Chinese character; yeah, they ARE different from one another, I guess, sort of, but they're all so dang similar I can't keep them straight.
Until one day they suddenly didn't all look the same. Really. That's how it happened. One day they were a homogeneous mess, the next day, hey, I know what that one means without having to deconstruct it! Yay! It just takes practice and time to sink in.
The accusative was another pain in the rear, and, as with the correlatives, one day it just clicked into place. Again: practice, and time to let it sink in. I hated the accusative with a passion, until I realized that a lot of Esperanto rests on it, and for good reason. It's a critical concept that actually does, on the whole, make things simpler. And once it clicked... anyway, I do not hate the accusative any longer.
You are walking a well-trodden path.
sudanglo (Ukázat profil) 11. srpna 2012 21:04:35
I keep having to look up ankaŭ and ankoraŭ to remember which is which, for instance.One way to remember the meaning of ankoraŭ is to think of the cries of Encore from an enthusiastic audience.
Or you could use the following. Vi volas ankoraŭ!. You still want more!
Gosudar (Ukázat profil) 13. srpna 2012 17:58:46
Sudanglo made a suggestion:
sudanglo:SPX, why not try the Esperanto translation of Winnie the Pooh.That happens to be what I am doing at the moment, reading it flankalflanke with the original version by A. A. Milne. This procedure at least has the advantage of making very clear to me the difference between translating words and translating meanings. Is the quality of this translation, the quality of the Esperanto, truly as superb as I think it is? Or am I being misled by the inherent charm of the book?
sudanglo (Ukázat profil) 14. srpna 2012 10:07:30
The editor wishes to extend special thanks to Mr. William Auld, Miss Marjorie Boulton, Mr. Reto Rossetti, Dr. Victor Sadler, and Dr. John Wells for numerous revisions and improvements in the translation.
In other words, unlike many Esperanto translations, this was properly edited before publication.
creedelambard (Ukázat profil) 14. srpna 2012 16:07:54
sudanglo:See page after the title page :With an editorial board like that, no wonder the translation came out well.
The editor wishes to extend special thanks to Mr. William Auld, Miss Marjorie Boulton, Mr. Reto Rossetti, Dr. Victor Sadler, and Dr. John Wells for numerous revisions and improvements in the translation.
In other words, unlike many Esperanto translations, this was properly edited before publication.
SPX (Ukázat profil) 16. srpna 2012 1:12:19
RiotNrrd:Well let's hope I have the same success as yourself. How long before everything clicked into place?
You are walking a well-trodden path.
I find that my mind is starting to shut down with this stuff. It's getting harder and harder to focus on the course. It's like I've hit a point of mental overload or something.
creedelambard (Ukázat profil) 16. srpna 2012 2:41:27
I was reading some Don Harlow (Google for more information) yesterday, and he says (1) that a lot of Americans seem to have trouble with the correlatives for some reason, and (2) it would behoove those who do to work on them, since they make up maybe 10% of all the words you'll encounter in Esperanto. I think 10% might be a bit high, but probably not by much.
I have some suggestions on learning the correlatives when you're ready. No rush. Take this at your own speed. I know that I am prone to hitting walls - I did it with German and Chinese - so it doesn't surprise me that you, or other people, do so as well.
RiotNrrd (Ukázat profil) 16. srpna 2012 3:28:31
SPX:Well let's hope I have the same success as yourself. How long before everything clicked into place?For me, it was at about the three or four month mark, I think.
However, your mileage definitely may vary. I am not particularly gifted with languages, nor was I particularly studious.
SPX:I find that my mind is starting to shut down with this stuff. It's getting harder and harder to focus on the course. It's like I've hit a point of mental overload or something.Part of the problem MAY be that you are studying too much. I mean, I don't know how much you are studying, but if it's shutting your brain down, then you might need to ease up a little.
It's not a race. There's no finish line.
Personally, I found short but frequent study sessions best. Watch a tv show and study during the commercials. Seriously, this IS an effective way to learn this material. Study for ten minutes, and then go do something else for half an hour, then do ten more minutes, rinse and repeat. That works, too.
If you try to cram too much in too fast, it starts to garble. Ease up a bit, and you might find you retain the material better.
I think the key is less the amount of time you put in and more the consistency with which you do it. Ten minutes a day, EVERY day, is far more productive than one two-hour session once a week.