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klnptrs78 (Å vise profilen) 2012 9 30 23:14:32
This seems to be a very human thing as I have seen the same from many from other areas and some that speak English or even dialects.
I'm not saying that wrongful prejudice is right, but many around the world intead of just favoring their home culture become sort of elitist. One individual from an indigenous tribe was taught to speak proper Spanish, only to be rejected by those that spoke an indigenous dialect, until she learned the dialect. Many of those speaking the dialect have no formal education, but they favor and some can be either proud or suspitious of those that don't now the lingo. When people work together, sometimes they start teaching them their special words. It's sort of like having a special name in sign language then, others who speak it as their first language can confer with each others and know the new person is a bonafied nice person.
The key seems to be finding common issues where it is obvious how much we can help each other, and as we work and treat others nicely they grow to appreciate us, respect each other, and we have that foundation to arrive at even better solutions on tasks and/or linguistically.
Chainy (Å vise profilen) 2012 9 30 23:31:13
hebda999:Er, that was something nice, wasn't it? I was complimenting your high standard of English and I mean that sincerely. No poster though, pleaseChainy:Chainy's little digs again. He just can't stop. I am his obsession. If he writes something nice, I might even send him my poster.sudanglo:Were the tense errors deliberate? If not, they serve admirably to make your point.You've got to be kidding, right? Talk about nitpicking! Hebda's level of English is incredibly good, something that I've often admired in the offensive private messages that he's sent me. Why they weren't sent in Esperanto, I don't know.
Perhaps you misunderstood due to the last part about Esperanto. That was just a side issue - it always made me wonder why you used to prefer writing to me in English, rather than in Esperanto. It always struck me as a little odd given the rage that boils (and often overboils) in you regarding the international use of English.
robbkvasnak (Å vise profilen) 2012 10 1 02:02:36
sudanglo (Å vise profilen) 2012 10 1 11:54:18
Much of the case for Esperanto hinges on the disparity between the typical foreign learner's command of English and that of a native speaker, and on how this creates an uncomfortable situation compared to the use of Esperanto where no nationality is automatically in a superior position, and expressive power is obtained much more readily.
Chainy (Å vise profilen) 2012 10 1 12:37:26
sudanglo:There is, in any case, something a little strange, and neglectful of reality, in any Esperantist being prepared to blithely accept mangled English as satisfactory medium for international communication.Neglectful of reality?! Blithe acceptance?! The reality is that English is widely used across Europe and so obviously EU politicians try to use it, with varying degrees of success. Yes, we all know the story about Esperanto, but that will take time. Nothing will change until a larger group of competent Esperanto speakers emerges.
Obviously I support the use of Esperanto. Why on earth am I learning and using it, if not?! Why have I been faffing around trying to improve the dictionary here for ages? Why did I spend ages helping darkweasel translate the SMF forum software? Why do I help people learn Esperanto as a lingvohelpanto? Why do I try to answer questions about Esperanto in the konsultejo? It seems utterly preposterous to accuse a committed Esperantist of blithe acceptance.
sudanglo:Much of the case for Esperanto hinges on the disparity between the typical foreign learner's command of English and that of a native speaker, and on how this creates an uncomfortable situation compared to the use of Esperanto where no nationality is automatically in a superior position, and expressive power is obtained much more readily.Some people clearly get kicks out of repeating the same old things...
Robbkvasnak dismisses people's attempts to speak English as 'embarrassing', others go on about the wonderful advantages of Esperanto, blah blah.... And yet, here we all are, in the English forum again!
Sudanglo, you yourself often prefer to start threads here in the English forum, rather than in Esperanto. Why?
Why does hebda write his delightful messages to me in English, rather than in Esperanto?
Why are some of the participants in this thread making very little effort to actually learn Esperanto? Why don't I see them posting messages in the Esperanto forum?
I much prefer practical actions rather than aimless and cyclical musings about this and that....
hebda999 (Å vise profilen) 2012 10 1 12:55:56
And I wrote to you in English to make myself good understood. Are you satisfied with these answers?
Chainy (Å vise profilen) 2012 10 1 13:11:46
hebda999:And I wrote to you in English to make myself good understood.Please tell me that's not true. I often write in Esperanto in the forums here, so you obviously know that I'm perfectly capable of understanding a message in Esperanto. And yet you prefer to write to me in English so that you can be better understood?! Are you not one of those people that repeatedly bores us with the same old stories about the marvels of Esperanto compared to English?! What on earth is going on here?
hebda999 (Å vise profilen) 2012 10 1 15:12:28
Chainy:Are you not one of those people that repeatedly bores us with the same old stories about the marvels of Esperanto compared to English?! What on earth is going on here?Esperanto is no way perfect. It has many flaws. Everyone knows the fact. I do not bore anyone but you, so it seems. Chainy, Robert Ch..in. Please, do stop it. It is the very thing that is boring here. And highly unnecessary as well. Let's discuss about "Multilingualism and Auxiliary Languages in the EU" without attacking one another.
With regards
Aleksander Hebda
Hundies19 (Å vise profilen) 2012 10 1 16:20:17
hebda999 (Å vise profilen) 2012 10 2 05:12:56
Hundies19:Esperanto would indeed work for the EU, grammatically speaking. However I'm concerned about how it works with Asians. I know enough Arabic and enough about Indian and African languages to postulate that Esperanto's Grammar would be no serious problem for them. However the hyper analytic speakers of Asia....It is 10 times easer for Asians than English. So for them it would be like blessing. I spoke with many Chinese both in English and in Esperanto. The first was a disaster (I could hardly understand a word) while the latter was quite nice. It is true they mix some consonants (p/b) but with some practice it can be overcome. Esperanto grammar is also isolating (unchangeable morphemes combine freely just as in Chinese). Look:
Chinese: wo + de --- wode
Esperanto: mi + a --- mia
English: I + ? --- my