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Bruso (프로필 보기) 2012년 11월 27일 오후 9:23:02
However, Privat's "Vivo de Zamenhof" refers to "teŭtonaj kavaliroj", so it seems Esperanto historically could distinguish the words "German" and "Teutonic".
But not any more? Is there some reason "teŭtona" is no longer used (if it isn't)?
Chainy (프로필 보기) 2012년 11월 27일 오후 11:04:25
Chainy (프로필 보기) 2012년 11월 28일 오후 7:36:32
Teutonic = teŭtona, ĝermana
Teuton = teŭtono, ĝermano
Kirilo81 (프로필 보기) 2012년 11월 29일 오전 9:29:03
In German, the Teutonic Order is called simply "Deutscher Orden" (German Order, where German may have its older meaning "Germanic").
So I would prefer if (NPIV) 1. was the only meaning of "teŭtona", with 2. and 3. beeing evitindaj - for 2. you can say "Germana Ordeno" (there's nothing Germanic with it) and for 3. simply "ĝermana".
pdenisowski (프로필 보기) 2012년 12월 3일 오전 1:53:55
Bruso:The Esperanto Wikipedia translates "Teutonic Knights" as "Ordeno de Germanaj Kavaliroj". Lernu's Vortaro also translates English "Teutonic" simply as "Germana".Teutonic and Germanic are not the same thing at all. The Wikipedia entry title seems to be a straight translation of the German "Deutscher Ritterorden," which has all kinds of dubious historical baggage and Germanic chauvanism associated with it.
However, Privat's "Vivo de Zamenhof" refers to "teŭtonaj kavaliroj", so it seems Esperanto historically could distinguish the words "German" and "Teutonic".
But not any more? Is there some reason "teŭtona" is no longer used (if it isn't)?
[Aside : e.g. the Germans refer to Indo-European as Indo-Germanisch -- oddly enough this doesn't seem to have caught on among other peoples ...]
The name of the order in Latin was "Ordo Theutonicus" (hence Teuton in English).
Not a terribly common word, probably even in Zamenhof's time, although he certainly would have known Sienkiewicz's "Krzyżacy" in which this order plays a key role.
Amike,
Paul