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dari Aaron94, 4 Februari 2013

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Aaron94 (Tunjukkan profil) 4 Februari 2013 03.09.05

I was curious about how to say so far, I would have used ĝis nun except that makes it seem like something changed then. If I said I was having a good day until now, that would make it seem like it turned bad because of something. How would you say so far without making it seem like something changed?

erinja (Tunjukkan profil) 4 Februari 2013 03.24.54

"ĝis nun" doesn't imply to me that something has changed.

If you wanted to emphasize it, you could perhaps throw in an "ankoraŭ" somewhere, depending on the context.

Also, if you characterize a day that is still in progress as "good", you don't really need a "so far". The day hasn't ended yet so by definition the "good" only lasts until the present moment, since you can't possibly know for sure whether it will remain good or not.

EldanarLambetur (Tunjukkan profil) 4 Februari 2013 10.32.38

Out of curiosity, can you imply both with the same phrase?

1. Ĝis nun mi fartas bone
2. Ĝis nun mi fartis bone

Does 2 imply that the day has taken a turn for the worse? Does 1 make sense, and imply that I'm still doing well?

sudanglo (Tunjukkan profil) 4 Februari 2013 12.10.11

Does 1 make sense, and imply that I'm still doing well?
Yes.

A quick look through the Tekstaro show that both tenses may be used with ĝis nun, though the past is clearly the more common.

My intuition is that the present is used to show a current and enduring state. Things are that way now, and could go on being so. But the inclusion of ĝis nun means that you have some uncertainty as to whether that will remain the case - you have some reservation.

The use of the past can often imply that things have just changed, or the past has to be used anyway because you are talking about a completed action (ĝis nun mi nur parolis pri la avantaĝoj).

It's the sort of contrast you would make in English (when talking about enduring states).

Everything is fine, so far. Everything was hunky-dory until she joined the group

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