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Why all Esperanto related websites looks so 90's?

by yomakun, June 7, 2013

Messages: 57

Language: English

Moosader (User's profile) June 9, 2013, 6:40:05 PM

Oy, rather than talk with sarcasm I'd rather brainstorm possible solutions.

Lack of dynamic websites, lack of sleek styling and modern design? 99% accessibility issues; most people don't know how to design and maintain a database, most people hate dealing with CSS, and so on.

From what I've used of the [free] Wordpress site, it doesn't quite seem like what you need if you have a site that's storing a lot of data. There are also solutions like Drupal and Joomla, though Drupal seems like a bit of a mess to me.

If anyone has a website of theirs they're wanting to modernize, I would like to take a look and figure out what kind of needs you may have, solution-wise.

bartlett22183 (User's profile) June 9, 2013, 6:44:00 PM

yomakun:
bartlett22183:I think it depends in part on what the intention of a website is, its purpose. ...

My intention was that it could be printed out in hard copy directly from any more or less competent web browser (I use Opera) for those who want something tangible. I am not skilled in web programming, and I was/am not trying to be. I deliberately kept it simple to allow for a printout.
You know you could make this content available on downloadable PDF then it will be not only for printout but also for digital use (go mobile) and stil have a modern website.
Yes, I suppose I could do that, but I do not want to. I do not want to try to maintain two versions of something. I do not have the skills to do so. In any case, as has already been pointed out in this thread, content may be more important in some people's minds than appearance. Many of the Esperanto websites I have browsed have seemed completely fine to me. I can actually get quite irritated at some websites which are so "modern" that all the bells, whistles, and gongs are so distracting that they get in the way of the content, which is more important to me than flash and glitter.

goli (User's profile) June 9, 2013, 7:16:05 PM

Why all Esperanto related websites looks old? Why would you even bother?
For example, there's a guitar teach-yourself website: http://www.samouch.ru/. It looks old, but it's the first site on Google and Yandex (Russian search engine) for the query 'самоучитель по гитаре' ( 'teach-yourself on guitar' ) because it's a great teach-yourself and provides a lot of useful information. Or for example, Lernu. Yes, it looks pretty old and needs some update, but Lernu has a lot of what a Esperanto-learner would need, and there are lots of great people here. That's it.

Moosader (User's profile) June 9, 2013, 9:00:09 PM

bartlett22183:
I do not want to try to maintain two versions of something..
This is the point of having a backend solution like ASP.NET, PHP, RoR, or Django. Store it once, present it in multiple locations. Even dynamically generate PDF files. okulumo.gif

goli: Or for example, Lernu. Yes, it looks pretty old and needs some update, but Lernu has a lot of what a Esperanto-learner would need, and there are lots of great people here. That's it.
Lernu may not be sleek and stylish, but it's definitely using a database and some form of server-side scripting, otherwise this entire site would not be possible. It would be a nightmare to maintain and update, and none of us could communicate via this message board or messages; would not be possible.

robbkvasnak (User's profile) June 9, 2013, 9:43:32 PM

Yes, there are some very, very poor people in the United States - some 17 million kids go to bed hungry at night here. I taught in a school where many of our pupils hardly had anything to eat at home so we gave them free breakfast. Sometimes the parents came with them becaus THEY didn't have enough to eat. Some people live here in cardboard boxes.
When I say that I am unrich I definitely mean lower middle class or maybe upper lower class. Back when I went to Hawai'i is was my first "vacation" in many years and I got it at a discount because I was going as a student. I also stayed way out in the country side with a family - not in one of those expensive hotels.
There are families here who live in their cars and park at night near a gas station so that the family can go to the bathroom and they wash themselves in the sink there. If you come here, you will see people looking through garbage cans on the street for food. Believe me! There are parts of Fort Lauderdale where grown men do not go alone because they could be mugged there. When I was teaching private school, one of our students from Italy was shot to death because he stopped at a fast food place in the wrong part of town and the people there thought that he was a rich tourist.
I am not writing this to put the US down. It is my homeland. I was born here. But it is reality and it is a problem that we have to work on.

yomakun (User's profile) June 9, 2013, 9:58:43 PM

robbkvasnak:
I am not writing this to put the US down. It is my homeland. I was born here. But it is reality and it is a problem that we have to work on.
Yea dude it's the media that shaped that picture into our heads that the US is the paradise and look here you just give us a shocked information, where I live all people dream of the US they think the money is droped in the street there, movies, TV shows they all maked that picture I never watch an american show discribed what you just said it's was all like "How I met your mother" NYC to me :| I have Googled this by the way just to make sure it's true malgajo.gif

yomakun (User's profile) June 9, 2013, 10:09:58 PM

goli:Why all Esperanto related websites looks old? Why would you even bother?
For example, there's a guitar teach-yourself website: http://www.samouch.ru/. It looks old, but it's the first site on Google and Yandex (Russian search engine) for the query 'самоучитель по гитаре' ( 'teach-yourself on guitar' ) because it's a great teach-yourself and provides a lot of useful information. Or for example, Lernu. Yes, it looks pretty old and needs some update, but Lernu has a lot of what a Esperanto-learner would need, and there are lots of great people here. That's it.
Well it's a fourm after all we discuss the matters ya know, and yes there are a lot of great people here including you ridulo.gif

yomakun (User's profile) June 9, 2013, 10:14:20 PM

bartlett22183:
Yes, I suppose I could do that, but I do not want to. I do not want to try to maintain two versions of something. I do not have the skills to do so. In any case, as has already been pointed out in this thread, content may be more important in some people's minds than appearance. Many of the Esperanto websites I have browsed have seemed completely fine to me. I can actually get quite irritated at some websites which are so "modern" that all the bells, whistles, and gongs are so distracting that they get in the way of the content, which is more important to me than flash and glitter.
well you always free to do whatever you think it's better for the community, thanks for shownup and give us your opinion ridulo.gif

yomakun (User's profile) June 9, 2013, 10:19:01 PM

Moosader:Oy, rather than talk with sarcasm I'd rather brainstorm possible solutions.

Lack of dynamic websites, lack of sleek styling and modern design? 99% accessibility issues; most people don't know how to design and maintain a database, most people hate dealing with CSS, and so on.

From what I've used of the [free] Wordpress site, it doesn't quite seem like what you need if you have a site that's storing a lot of data. There are also solutions like Drupal and Joomla, though Drupal seems like a bit of a mess to me.

If anyone has a website of theirs they're wanting to modernize, I would like to take a look and figure out what kind of needs you may have, solution-wise.

yes we should email every website we see and give them our advise we may not be that professional but they will sure be happy with our feedback and will give them a push to go and fix the things.

Oijos (User's profile) June 9, 2013, 11:10:56 PM

The fact of the matter is that objectively speaking the USA has a highest GDP per resident in purchasing power -corrected terms in the world excluding some very small tax havens, few oil producers and Hong Kong and Singapore(HK and SP are still developing countries according to UN and hence don't even have any climate change and other responsibilities).

Of course persons with very low abilities can be poor in the USA, because they don't offer free money like communists. I live in a country where there are no starving people, but all are what robbkvasnak would name as "unrich". So we have no differences in income and weak purchasing power. I would move to the USA immediately, if that would be possible.

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