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se (顯示個人資料) 2013年10月6日上午5:58:08
Saluton
It is nice, if the KER certificate can be accepted throughout the world. Though it is going to be an individual battle according to the forum.
Any other better ideas could be suggested to the UEA or KER coordinator ?
It is nice, if the KER certificate can be accepted throughout the world. Though it is going to be an individual battle according to the forum.
Any other better ideas could be suggested to the UEA or KER coordinator ?
erinja (顯示個人資料) 2013年10月7日下午1:59:58
I am a member at edukado.net but I haven't visited recently. I am familiar with KER but I am not sure what you mean when you talk about KER certificates being "accepted". To me, a KER certificate is not a useful thing, it's just a piece of paper that says that you have reached a certain level in a language that is spoken by very few people. This piece of paper is useful only in a small set of circumstances. My question to you is, when you say "accepted wider", what do you mean? What would you like to be able to do with your KER certificate?
Oijos (顯示個人資料) 2013年10月7日下午10:51:50
erinja:I am a member at edukado.net but I haven't visited recently. I am familiar with KER but I am not sure what you mean when you talk about KER certificates being "accepted". To me, a KER certificate is not a useful thing, it's just a piece of paper that says that you have reached a certain level in a language that is spoken by very few people. This piece of paper is useful only in a small set of circumstances. My question to you is, when you say "accepted wider", what do you mean? What would you like to be able to do with your KER certificate?KER, in English CEFR(L), certainly isn't just a piece of paper in EU. It is even requirement for many things. Or at least useful. And I'm speaking of course only about the certificate. Usefulness depends on the situation and languages. Of course certificate or not, Esperanto is not yet requirement for anything in Europe, so the question of Esperanto CEFR acceptance is premature.
erinja (顯示個人資料) 2013年10月8日上午12:25:52
I understand very well that a CEFR certificate is useful in many languages but Esperanto surely isn't one of them.
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Edit: Just to clarify my view on this, a CEFR certificate is very useful if you happen to find yourself in the situation of needing to prove that you speak Esperanto at a high level. These situations might include (but are not limited to) applying for a job in the Esperanto community, embarking on a study program involving Esperanto, or needing to prove that you speak *any* foreign language (rather than a particular foreign language). Like I said, a limited set of circumstances, but it is a set of circumstances that happens in the real world (and I have been personally in a position of telling someone that they would not be able to work on a particular project because their Esperanto level was not high enough to participate in a meaningful way).
I am still not sure, however, of what the original poster meant about accepting the KER certificate 'wider'. Does it mean that there are Esperanto organizations that do not currently accept KER as proof of Esperanto level? (and if so, of course they should accept it). Or does it mean that there should be more situations outside the Esperanto community in which a KER certificate is useful? If the poster has ideas about those situations outside the Esperanto community, where a KER certificate is not currently accepted, but should be accepted, then I am sure that the KER team would like to hear about it.
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Edit: Just to clarify my view on this, a CEFR certificate is very useful if you happen to find yourself in the situation of needing to prove that you speak Esperanto at a high level. These situations might include (but are not limited to) applying for a job in the Esperanto community, embarking on a study program involving Esperanto, or needing to prove that you speak *any* foreign language (rather than a particular foreign language). Like I said, a limited set of circumstances, but it is a set of circumstances that happens in the real world (and I have been personally in a position of telling someone that they would not be able to work on a particular project because their Esperanto level was not high enough to participate in a meaningful way).
I am still not sure, however, of what the original poster meant about accepting the KER certificate 'wider'. Does it mean that there are Esperanto organizations that do not currently accept KER as proof of Esperanto level? (and if so, of course they should accept it). Or does it mean that there should be more situations outside the Esperanto community in which a KER certificate is useful? If the poster has ideas about those situations outside the Esperanto community, where a KER certificate is not currently accepted, but should be accepted, then I am sure that the KER team would like to hear about it.