Skip to the content
Reply

The Ismoj of Esperanto?

by Bruso, January 13, 2014

Messages: 36

Language: English

Bruso (User's profile) January 13, 2014, 4:29:04 PM

With the current discussion of Raŭmismo, I was wondering what "ismoj" exist in Esperanto - and their opposites.

Raŭmismo vs Finvenkismo (on the use of Esperanto by a self-contained community vs a second language for all)
Egzismo vs Ekzismo (On the voicing of k before z vs non-voicing)
Hilelismo & Homaramismo (Zamenhof's ethical proclamations that Esperanto would play a part in)
Bonalingvismo (preference for agglutinative constructions vs adoption of international words; not sure what the opposite is called)

How many can be added to this list?

(I'm looking for ismoj with some connection to the Esperanto movement or the language itself. E.g., Kvakerismo (Quakerism) wouldn't count.)

erinja (User's profile) January 13, 2014, 5:25:41 PM

I have never heard of "Egzismo vs Ekzismo"

As I understand it, there are no "ismoj" attached to that - just that humans sometimes naturally pronounce the ekz sound as if it were egz, but this is treated as an acceptable variant pronunciation, so long as the word is understood.

And you've misspelled "homaranismo". But the hilelismo and homaranismo thing - they aren't ideas against each other; one is a slight variant of the other. It's more like, a very, very, very, very few still believe in one or both of these, and most people don't care.

Bruso (User's profile) January 13, 2014, 5:49:25 PM

erinja:I have never heard of "Egzismo vs Ekzismo"
I got them from the (English language) Wikipedia article on Esperanto phonology.
And you've misspelled "homaranismo". But the hilelismo and homaranismo thing - they aren't ideas against each other; one is a slight variant of the other.
I misspelled a few things before I edited my first post malgajo.gif

I know they're not opposite, which is why I put "&" instead of "vs" between them.

I don't expect all ismoj to have opposites.
It's more like, a very, very, very, very few still believe in one or both of these, and most people don't care.
Historical ismoj are OK. I'm looking for a fairly exhaustive list.

robbkvasnak (User's profile) January 13, 2014, 8:23:35 PM

Antaŭ jaroj estis diskuto inter at- kaj it-. Eble ekzistas atismo kaj itismo.
Years ago, there was a discussion about at- and -it-. Maybe there are words like atismo and istismo.

erinja (User's profile) January 13, 2014, 8:24:53 PM

Bruso:
erinja:I have never heard of "Egzismo vs Ekzismo"
I got them from the (English language) Wikipedia article on Esperanto phonology.
Got it.

I've never heard of such a thing, and I only see it in Wikipedia, not in any other online source. Sounds almost like someone made up this word for the sole purpose of writing an article. FYI I would not assume that people will know what you're talking about if you mention this word in casual conversation.

Bruso (User's profile) January 13, 2014, 9:02:09 PM

erinja:
Bruso:
erinja:I have never heard of "Egzismo vs Ekzismo"
I got them from the (English language) Wikipedia article on Esperanto phonology.
Got it.

I've never heard of such a thing, and I only see it in Wikipedia, not in any other online source. Sounds almost like someone made up this word for the sole purpose of writing an article. FYI I would not assume that people will know what you're talking about if you mention this word in casual conversation.
Hmmm. I just saw the separate article "Egzismo" on the Eo-language Vikipedio. According to that article, egzistoj want not only the voiced pronunciation to be accepted, but also want to change the spelling to -gz-.

The English-language phonology article says only the voiced pronunciation is acceptable, not any spelling change (except in the nonce word "egzismo", and its derivatives).

So at least according the Wikipedia-Vikipedo, the actual definition of "Egzismo" is in dispute.

kaŝperanto (User's profile) January 13, 2014, 10:24:02 PM

Interestingly, I just came across an article today on neologisms in Esperanto on Ipernity. I was having trouble finding a definition for "tabasami", which is used in a few of La Perdita Generacio's songs. Two other words were also discussed there that are also in LPG's songs: "asroni" and "ubi", but those don't really have ismoj behind them. The "tabasamists" support the use of their word in place of "rideti", which has a totally different meaning than "ridi".

The more notable -isms listed are riism, untism, and naism.
Riists propose the use of 'ri' as the gender-neutral form of li/ŝi. Untists advocate the use of -unt and -ut conditional participles in the same way as -[iao]nt and -[iao]t are used. Naism proposes the use of 'na' to indicate accusative case where adding an -n is not possible or difficult ("Mi legas na libro" instead of "Mi legas libron", which seems odd for libro, but is nice when talking about people/places with non-esperantized names, or even when talking about Esperanto itself).

It may seem a bit funny, but I'd propose malbonalingvismo as the alternative to bonalingvismo. I'd bet that bonalingvistoj would agree with me. okulumo.gif

Bruso (User's profile) January 14, 2014, 12:34:03 AM

Vikipedio also lists:

Hiismo
Liismo
Iĉismo

Hiismo article with links to Liismo and Iĉismo

I thought I saw a thread on Lernu about the letter ĥ with ĥoismo given as the philosophy that ĥ should be respected and retained in common use in Esperanto. I can't find it now.

Bruso (User's profile) January 14, 2014, 12:37:23 AM

kaŝperanto:
It may seem a bit funny, but I'd propose malbonalingvismo as the alternative to bonalingvismo. I'd bet that bonalingvistoj would agree with me. okulumo.gif
The malbonalingvistoj would insist on being called plibonalingvistoj.

Roberto12 (User's profile) January 14, 2014, 11:29:30 AM

There's probably an ismo for every personal pronoun in the set.

Regarding atismo and itismo, I'm an atisto, because I consider "is ata" and "as ita" adequate as passive alternatives to "is", and the dirty secret of itismo is that it junks the pluperfect.

Back to the top