kaŝperanto:

gianich73:
I agree with you, but probably we think too much as people who live in the United States. In other parts of the world, they have a different opinion of reality.

In what way do we think too much? Most people I meet don't think much at all. We certainly think far less than those of the 20th century about a multitude of issues. We care more about virtual realities than about our own.

I meant that it is possible that we think that way because we live in the United States. It is a guessing, not a statistical survey.

gianich73:

kaŝperanto:

gianich73:
I agree with you, but probably we think too much as people who live in the United States. In other parts of the world, they have a different opinion of reality.

In what way do we think too much? Most people I meet don't think much at all. We certainly think far less than those of the 20th century about a multitude of issues. We care more about virtual realities than about our own.

I meant that it is possible that we think that way because we live in the United States. It is a guessing, not a statistical survey.

I see, perhaps I would agree with "different opinion of reality", but that doesn't necessarily mean we think too much.

Also, looks like you messed up your quotes in your previous post. Robb's words are coming across as yours (last two sentences, I presume?).

gianich73:
Uff! Ĉevino, there is no one single "American" - this seems to be a pathological mental disorder that you have.

If we get a one world government, we can just say "the Earthling". And we'll all think alike. Or else.

Bruso:

gianich73:
Uff! Ĉevino, there is no one single "American" - this seems to be a pathological mental disorder that you have.

If we get a one world government, we can just say "the Earthling". And we'll all think alike. Or else.

You can be like the Swedes do sometimes, and say "the human-ape" lol!
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As for the topic of the post I will say, large governments never seem to work. It's just stretching yourself thin. Differing opinions are necessary in order to help stop one "big power" from making mistakes & ignoring issues.

The EU doesn't work well for all its countries, for example Sweden might be better to be just in a "Nordic Group" instead of a "European" one; the USA's government doesn't work very well at all, not for its own citizens or for other countries; even within a single smaller country like Sweden's own government, it can often be that they ignore the problems in the other part of the country (ex. maybe one part has too small of a population so they can't meet the required teacher-to-student ratio that the rest of the parts can).

However I think there are methods of government that should be avoided due to the impact on culture (for example, if you run your country very capitalistic, after a while everyone only cares about money, products, and profits : P Not good for the rainforests) except that of course, these methods are adopted by the countries which already have cultures that match that way of thinking so who's to say...

What I mostly believe needs to happen is instead of ex. complete world government, we would need world children's, adult's, GLBT, healthcare and education rights. A child in Japan should be on the same education level as a child in Mexico, etc. But at the same time the education needs to focus only on practical useful things (basic math, reading and writing... possibly how smartphones work, nowadays) and it shouldn't be a requirement to ex. go to University or study physics if you don't need or want to. So a step backward and forward at the same time.

Just basically, if you don't have to study too much, you don't burn out from school and then we get more professionals doing what they want etc. If the whole population gets healthy food and healthcare, then again, more happy, living people who can go on to push the quality of the country to be better. Also a lot of things in general can be prevented or improved with simple knowledge that most people don't learn as it is now (ex. how exactly is that US hamburger made and why is it so cheap...?).

Not just for general health etc. reasons but also it helps kill animosity towards other countries. Ex if you have to study a foreign language for years, you suddenly are nicer towards ESL people and their mistakes. For another example, some USA-ians say stuff like "Sweden is socialist!" but mean "Sweden must be as bad as the USSR was at its worst point!" because they simply never learn these things in school.

marbuljon:What I mostly believe needs to happen is instead of ex. complete world government, we would need world children's, adult's, GLBT, healthcare and education rights.

In my experience, GLBT "rights" usually translates to "special privileges".

marbuljon:Also a lot of things in general can be prevented or improved with simple knowledge that most people don't learn as it is now (ex. how exactly is that US hamburger made and why is it so cheap...?).

One of those things that people prefer not to know... lol.

Christa627:In my experience, GLBT "rights" usually translates to "special privileges".

I have heard this type of thing before, but I don't actually understand it. On its own it seems so vague as to be almost meaningless. But since you mention your experience in particular, I am interested in hearing more about that; personal experience definitely trumps vague unsubstantiated assertions.

What privileges, in your experience, are accorded to gay people that are not accorded to me? I am fully heterosexual, but I honestly cannot think of one privilege that gay people have or demand that I don't have; generally it seems like they are denied rights that I do have (such as marrying their partners, although that appears to be changing). So I'm curious what you are referring to when you talk about "special" privileges, over and above those that I have as a straight person. I am literally unable to identify a single one, although I am certainly open to being educated.

How did a thread called "One world government" end up in a discussion about gays?
Are they really governing the world?

RiotNrrd:

Christa627:In my experience, GLBT "rights" usually translates to "special privileges".

I have heard this type of thing before, but I don't actually understand it. On its own it seems so vague as to be almost meaningless. But since you mention your experience in particular, I am interested in hearing more about that; personal experience definitely trumps vague unsubstantiated assertions.

What privileges, in your experience, are accorded to gay people that are not accorded to me? I am fully heterosexual, but I honestly cannot think of one privilege that gay people have or demand that I don't have; generally it seems like they are denied rights that I do have (such as marrying their partners, although that appears to be changing). So I'm curious what you are referring to when you talk about "special" privileges, over and above those that I have as a straight person. I am literally unable to identify a single one, although I am certainly open to being educated.

Yeah, good luck with that. It's been MY experience that most of the people who say that are just parroting what their neocon mentors/svengalis say and really have no experiences such as they describe and a lot of those don't even KNOW any gay people (or at least don't realize they do).

I would have loved to have the "special" right not to have been fired from my job in Missouri (which I loved and was GOOD at) just because I was gay.
Although, I now have the "special" right to marry the partner of my choice (living in Iowa), if I ever chose to go back home to Ohio, I wouldn't have the "special" right to have the state recognize my marriage.

I would like to see a one world government in the future where all regions of earth have devolved power (to reduce the amount of power the centralized government has.) However, this will take a while. In the mean time, the governments of the world should focus on uniting the continents.

The African Union wants to form the United States of Africa before 2025. The European Union looks likely to go for centralized political power resulting in the United States of Europe. South America has the Union of South American Nations which is based off the EU so they might have a unified government a few decades in the future.

Thanks to instability in the Middle East, and the tensions between many Asian countries, I don't think we will have an entire world government soon. But in several decades we may see one begin to form.

If a world government does happen, it would be nice if they chose Esperanto as the official language. If the world is going to set a language for everyone to learn, then that would be a good opportunity for them to pick a language that is more efficient, flexible, and easier to learn than the others.

Esperanto could also help make the world government's formation accelerate once more people start using it, but that is not the intended goal of the language.

nornen:How did a thread called "One world government" end up in a discussion about gays?

By virtue of being on the internet, of course. Only short threads end up holding a consistent topic.