It would be good if some org can take up this project.

I do not like to dwell in the linguistic right and others but rather would like to know if there is such a course, please inform me and I can be the agent for the course and help thousands of people who cannot command English and are left stranded in the future career.

Read, how sad about the Liberia 25,000 young souls.

The teachers of English in Malaysia, 2/3 of them, about 70,000 teachers, do not reach the O level English, many young souls especially in the rural areas are left to fence for their lives.

The developing world and underdeveloping world need administration and management course urgently as these subjects are highly demanded. It is possible if it is in tourism management.

Many colleges cheated the students in Malaysia especially they cannot pass the test papers from the British partner schools.

Don't talk about San Marino, they are in trouble now.

Universal Congress goes on year after year, does that bear any fruit from more usable of Esperanto before asking the UN to accept it as the international language.

I have good contact in the high schools and I knew how the pupils are suffering in their learning because of their English.

University of London external programme has gone into a century but Esperantists are still in the philosophy, language right.

Anyone knows about this Dubai UAE distance programme ?

http://scout.org/node/52196

See how many people are in line to seek for something but Esperantujo is not doing much in this area,

I realize that this comment will sound terribly harsh and critical, and I apologize if it is offensive. Rest assured I'm making it to be constructive and with a desire to be part of the solution. Esperanto has tremendous international value and such potential, and now with Internet bringing us together, we have tremendous opportunities for the movement to grow and command respect--but first we've got to start respecting ourselves enough to present ourselves to society in a way that people will take seriously.

One of the greatest reasons Esperanto has been treated like a frivolous "failed experiment"--often with off-the-wall adherents who are not taken seriously has been because that's the face they have shown to society. Does anybody else remember that ridiculous, disgusting song they featured a few years ago about the guy who tried to sleep with some woman at an Esperanto event but discovered he was impotent? (I KNOW that's crass--THAT'S my POINT). As long as the Esperanto movement is largely known for such things as handing out condoms at Tejo events ("Esperanto Protects You" ), making a point of holding congresses in communist countries, letting its loudest voice be the "all-things-weird-and-radical" crowd, and even going so far as marching in "gay pride" parades (just happened in the Phillipines--see Libera Folio--I'm not making this stuff up), we're going to have serious public image problems--because that's what the rest of society is going to associate Esperanto with.

The only way Esperanto will ever come out of the shadows AND be taken seriously (and be accorded the respect it deserves) will be when it becomes known for serious pursuits such as college-level academic courses being offered in Esperanto, scholarly research groups making their research papers available in Esperanto on a VARIETY of topics, and practical publications being more widely circulated--and not just off in some corner somewhere where nobody knows how to access them. More Esperanto-speaking relief or service organizations (which would be multi-national) making actual contributions to society, more Esperanto-based international commercial activities (such as on-line business), and the availability of more NON-political/fringe-group/agendized education and information--both being produced and consumed by Esperantists--will help to move Esperanto to the forefront instead of leaving us in the back of the bus. I realize that some of us are already pursuing such things; THESE efforts need to be highlighted and presented as characterizing our movement.

An excellent post and set of positions! I suspect that among many people who may have learned of Esperanto at all (and the majority on the western countries even have not), Esperantists may simply come across as fringe weirdos, not to be taken seriously. I speculate that most people do not seriously consider any real need for an international language. After all, don't everybody who really matter already speak English these days? (Consider the attitude generations ago of the French delegation to the League of Nations about French "already" as the international language.) If Esperanto is to be taken seriously internationally among the "elite" (whoever they are), it has to get out of the fringe.

Polaris:One of the greatest reasons Esperanto has been treated like a frivolous "failed experiment"--often with off-the-wall adherents who are not taken seriously has been because that's the face they have shown to society. Does anybody else remember that ridiculous, disgusting song they featured a few years ago about the guy who tried to sleep with some woman at an Esperanto event but discovered he was impotent? (I KNOW that's crass--THAT'S my POINT). As long as the Esperanto movement is largely known for such things as handing out condoms at Tejo events ("Esperanto Protects You" ), making a point of holding congresses in communist countries, letting its loudest voice be the "all-things-weird-and-radical" crowd, and even going so far as marching in "gay pride" parades (just happened in the Phillipines--see Libera Folio--I'm not making this stuff up), we're going to have serious public image problems--because that's what the rest of society is going to associate Esperanto with.

Esperanto is not only international but also intercultural. What you describe here as ridiculous, disgusting and not to be taken seriously is accepted over here in Europe. It does not at all cause serious public image problems. Maybe even the contrary.

The only way Esperanto will ever come out of the shadows AND be taken seriously (and be accorded the respect it deserves) will be when it becomes known for serious pursuits such as

You are not the first one to say "For Esperanto to become widely accepted we should ..." and you for sure won't be the last.

What's the difference between the ones "not to be taken seriously" and you? The "ridiculous ones" do things. You talk about what should be done.

Personally I take people who do things far more serious than people who are only talking. Moreover if their talking basically consists of criticizing the ones that are doing things.

Polaris:Does anybody else remember that ridiculous, disgusting song they featured a few years ago about the guy who tried to sleep with some woman at an Esperanto event but discovered he was impotent? (I KNOW that's crass--THAT'S my POINT).

Is that the IJK song (Mola)? I remember hearing that some time ago; at the time, with my language-level, I didn't understand all of it; just that there was some guy and some girl, and they seemed to be up to no good. But when you get that many youth together, they're bound to do things like that, regardless of what language they speak! The "Jen Nia IJK" course on this site has the characters cussing, flirting, and drinking; not to mention the homosexual agenda. Needless to say, I'm not planning on attending any IJKs; of course I know things like that go on at other events, but at the youth congress I'd guess it's more concentrated.

Christa627:

Polaris:Does anybody else remember that ridiculous, disgusting song they featured a few years ago about the guy who tried to sleep with some woman at an Esperanto event but discovered he was impotent? (I KNOW that's crass--THAT'S my POINT).

Is that the IJK song (Mola)?

I think the IJK song you are referring to is Sola by Kim Hendriksen which is a well known song in Esperanto culture. Mola is a comedy version of it sometimes heard in more or less spontaneous events like "Internacia Vespero".

I remember hearing that some time ago; at the time, with my language-level, I didn't understand all of it; just that there was some guy and some girl, and they seemed to be up to no good.

Well, they are up to have sex. I consider that to be a good thing, actually.

The "Jen Nia IJK" course on this site has the characters cussing, flirting, and drinking; not to mention the homosexual agenda.

The world is colorful. In Esperantujo you may realize that more than anywhere else.

Needless to say, I'm not planning on attending any IJKs;

Because of the homosexuals you might see? Seriously?

of course I know things like that go on at other events, but at the youth congress I'd guess it's more concentrated.

Maybe. That's what I like about Esperantujo.

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Whooooaaa! So what is wrong with marching in a Gay Pride Parade? Maybe what would make our culture unpalatable would be a bunch of religious fanatics trying to dictate their personal theology to the rest of the world. that is what I meant with the comment about religious fiction in reference the literature referred to as biblical. In my eyes, it is fiction but I am not imposing this view on anyone, just stating it.
The equivalent would be saying that because there are Gay Pride Parades in the US, people will not learn English.
The stance taken by TEJO is, from my understanding, very popular in Northern Europe - and would be rational here in the US, too. Nightclubs for hets and gays should hand out free condoms. There is actually a report of a new strain of HIV that is more virulent than the most vastly known HIV 1 and 49% of the carriers are het men (see El Nuevo Herald, Feb 13, 2015) - that means that they are infecting het women mostly (though some het men do hit on gay men - known to happen).
All of this discussion has NOTHING to do with the original post on external management courses and the success of students in countries where English was and is forced on the population by the Brits and their puppet governments (so-called Commonwealth States/Countries) for success in education. This stupid stance is also taken by many of the supporters of "ESOL/TESOL/ESL/EFL" - and even the NYT in which serious writers "deplore" the level of English in other countries stating that this is the reason for their backwardness in education.
People falsely think or pretend that knowing English is equal to being well educated - I guess that was the stance once held towards knowing French or Latin and in Asia Mandarin.
But DO NOT TRY TO IMPOSE YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS ON THE THEORIES OR DIVINITY on the rest of us. Our personal beliefs have NOTHING to do with the success or failure of Esperanto as an international medium of communication.
I may be a weirdo because I support Esperanto, but certainly not because I am gay. I am sick and tired of that attitude. Our state of Florida had to spend millions of $ fighting same-sex marriage - only to be shot down by the courts. I write this as a happily married man with another happily married man - both of us speak Esperanto.

johmue:

Christa627:

Polaris:Does anybody else remember that ridiculous, disgusting song they featured a few years ago about the guy who tried to sleep with some woman at an Esperanto event but discovered he was impotent? (I KNOW that's crass--THAT'S my POINT).

Is that the IJK song (Mola)?

I think the IJK song you are referring to is Sola by Kim Hendriksen which is a well known song in Esperanto culture. Mola is a comedy version of it sometimes heard in more or less spontaneous events like "Internacia Vespero".

I know "Sola"; I'm talking about the parody.

Needless to say, I'm not planning on attending any IJKs;

Because of the homosexuals you might see? Seriously?

[/quote]No, I'm talking about that kind of atmosphere; sex and booze and that kind of thing; not my scene.