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rapn21 (Arată profil) 25 martie 2015, 23:16:36
The first collection is articles from The Irish Times in the 1920s and 30s. The Esperanto movement has been quite small in Irish history, which made these articles all the most intriguing.
Esperanto’s Appeal – What It May Mean For Ireland (1926)
The second collection is from America, where The North American Review was an early promoter of Esperanto and has many articles talking about Esperanto from 1906-9. There's a lot of interesting discussion about the early Congresses, the first groups and articles by Zamenhof explaining his reasoning behind Esperanto.
The Progress And Prospects Of Esperanto (1907)
In fact there were so many articles that I had to spread them over two articles, with some particularly noteworthy articles from Louis de Beaufront and the Ido Schism.
The Duty Of Every Intellectual Man And Woman To Learn Esperanto (1909)
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Miland (Arată profil) 26 martie 2015, 09:45:28
rapn21:..I've come across some old articles about Esperanto (all in English). If you have an interest in history, in particular the history of the movement, then I think you'll like them..You might enjoy the downloadable book International Language by W.J. Clark (see particularly pages 10-15).
rapn21 (Arată profil) 26 martie 2015, 19:35:45
Elhana2:These are nice articles, as they show us unprecedented levels of haughtiness and complacency of the ancient Esperantists, which eventually led to the Esperanto demise.I don't understand your comment. I wouldn't consider them haughty and definitely not complacent, to the contrary they were extraordinarily enthusiastic. I wouldn't call people from a hundred years ancient, nor would I agree that Esperanto had a demise (apart from suspension during the World Wars, the level of Esperanto has been broadly constant).
Tempodivalse (Arată profil) 27 martie 2015, 13:18:18
Elhana2:There were millions of Esperanto speakers in 1920s, and the language was discussed seriously.Do you have some statistics or estimations on hand to quote re: number of speakers? I am aware there is a lack of reliable information, but to insist that the number of Esperantists has dwindled this heavily requires some evidence.
Nowadays there is maybe a hundred thousand of speakers, and no one takes Esperanto seriously.
Do also be aware that early Esperanto promoters may have tended to exaggerate the number of speakers.
Ethnologue, quite a respectable publication, says there are two million Esperantists today. That's a high estimate, but not altogether implausible. Esperanto Wikipedia has well over 200,000 articles and its Internet presence, based on what I can tell, is considerably better than those of many European languages with 1-2 million speakers (e.g. Estonian, Macedonian). 0,5m - 1m seems like a quite reasonable estimate to me.
nornen (Arată profil) 27 martie 2015, 14:45:07
Elhana2:Exactly. When you chose "random article" you will end up most of the time with an article like this.Tempodivalse:Esperanto Wikipedia has well over 200,000 articlesAlmost all those pages are 'stubs', i.e. less than 1 printed page long. The depth of it is also low.
Esperanto Wikipedia is filled by bots and maybe even automatic translation, which is a big no-no in the wiki world.
As for number of speakers I don't have the numbers, but the decline was mentioned by many around that time.
rapn21 (Arată profil) 27 martie 2015, 14:50:48
Elhana2:There were millions of Esperanto speakers in 1920s, and the language was discussed seriously.Due to Esperanto's nature it's impossible to know how many speakers there are so there's no way of knowing whether the number is higher now than it was a hundred years ago. If you look at UEA membership and UK attendance, this has been more or less constant for decades.
Nowadays there is maybe a hundred thousand of speakers, and no one takes Esperanto seriously.
Elhana2: As for complacency, they were sure they would get their share of the budget pie simply because they existed, and they even tried to destroy their 'competitors'.Esperanto almost never received state funding and definitely not a hundred years ago, so you're wrong here. While the Ido Schism was controversial, there was no attempt to destroy.
Elhana2: Almost all those pages are 'stubs', i.e. less than 1 printed page long. The depth of it is also low.Actually I find Vikipedio to be of very good quality. I also know that they do not use bots or automatic translations. Are you sure you're not confusing Esperanto with something else?
Esperanto Wikipedia is filled by bots and maybe even automatic translation, which is a big no-no in the wiki world.
rapn21 (Arată profil) 27 martie 2015, 17:45:25
Matthieu (Arată profil) 27 martie 2015, 19:14:16
rapn21:I presume you're just a troll to mock Esperanto.There's someone with the username Elhana (so almost certainly the same person) regularly posting on soc.culture.esperanto, and he is a giant troll, the best one I have ever seen.
Christa627 (Arată profil) 27 martie 2015, 22:19:12
rapn21:"Something else" does come to mind in this connection... this, to be exact...Elhana2: Almost all those pages are 'stubs', i.e. less than 1 printed page long. The depth of it is also low.Actually I find Vikipedio to be of very good quality. I also know that they do not use bots or automatic translations. Are you sure you're not confusing Esperanto with something else?
Esperanto Wikipedia is filled by bots and maybe even automatic translation, which is a big no-no in the wiki world.
And I have noticed that everything this Elhana ever says does seem provoking and trollish.
Tempodivalse (Arată profil) 27 martie 2015, 23:15:19
Elhana2:As an editor of Vikipedio I can say that automatic translation is not considered acceptable. Some people (a very small percentage) try it for some reason, but they get caught.
Esperanto Wikipedia is filled by bots and maybe even automatic translation, which is a big no-no in the wiki world.
Maintenance bots are common practice on all Wikipedia editions.
Most Wikipedia editions (excluding the big 10) will have lots of stub entries. It is unfair to pick on Esperanto when many other languages, including those with tens of millions of speakers (even Hindi and Arabic) on average have much less content.