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Target pop culture rather than the institutions

by Alkanadi, April 20, 2015

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Alkanadi (User's profile) April 20, 2015, 9:34:46 AM

What do you think? Is it better to target pop culture or is it better to focus on the establishment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQFr3XEPVo

johmue (User's profile) April 20, 2015, 10:18:40 AM

Alkanadi:What do you think? Is it better to target pop culture or is it better to focus on the establishment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQFr3XEPVo
Yet another "What Esperantists should do ..."

Alkanadi (User's profile) April 21, 2015, 7:06:43 AM

johmue:Yet another "What Esperantists should do ..."
Yah. I think people should just do what they want to do instead of trying to force square pegs in round holes.

But, at least the guy in the video is practising what he preaches.

leporinjo (User's profile) April 21, 2015, 9:47:47 AM

I totally agree; targeting institutions is a waste of time. There's just going to be widespread rebellion against anything imposed from up top. That's why I try to just be an example of how Esperanto speakers aren't all boring straight-laced normies lango.gif No offense okulumo.gif

se (User's profile) April 23, 2015, 3:40:14 AM

I whole heartedly agreed with the Australian esperantist.

That is the reason I started a thread which related to seriously considered the esperanto scout for the rover scouts.

Many rover scouts abused the ruling of age limit and they go on till the end of the life. Hobby and love for scouting for some scouts never end, if Esperanto is proved to be easy learning, they did not mind to learn it. But I do not know what the Esperanto Scout League (SEL) is doing.

Many Esperanto speakers neither scouts nor they like scouting, some even going to an extend to 'hate' this movement as they are atheist.

How many people like languages in the world ? Between the singing and language, you can see from around you. Do not need a survey. But no one organise the Esperanto singing contest. Before the person learning Esperanto songs, the esperantist would want him/her to learn esperanto first. This scar how many people away. Recently, I met one and introduced Mi kaj Vi to him and he started to like Esperanto songs and later another one--Esperanto. Hope he would keep on singing more Esperanto songs in his free time and in Kara-OK. There is no minus one music available online for him to download. What a pity.

The old generation never march forward in the internet age and they still maintain the Peace language which bored me to death. The brothers and sisters of the same parents would quareal , don't they speak the same language ? Many young esperantists are mislead into that concept especially those who are questing for peace. Many people are laughing the such slogon.

More esperanto movement should contact the Hungary Esperanto Association for more info of how they made Esperanto as one of the foreign languages in the public examination in the ministry of education. Especially the countries list all foreign languages as elective unlike Malaysia, a second language and compulsory passed subject.

Miland (User's profile) April 23, 2015, 7:17:38 AM

In my opinion we can talk about E-o if we want to, if a genuine opportunity arises in the circumstances we find ourselves in.

However I'm not enthusiastic about "targeting" any person. Here's a video by the same Australian Esperantist on the problems with local E-clubs.

Here's an interesting video about native speakers of E-o.

orthohawk (User's profile) April 23, 2015, 9:10:30 AM

leporinjo:...all boring straight-laced normies...
Thee says that like it's a bad thing okulumo.gif

RiotNrrd (User's profile) April 23, 2015, 6:21:57 PM

se:Many Esperanto speakers neither scouts nor they like scouting
I am curious as to whether there is an Esperanto merit badge in the Scouts. I am thinking that there isn't, but why not? They don't have merit badges for other foreign languages, of course, but I think a case could be made that Esperanto is sufficiently different (and considerably easier to learn) that it might qualify. They have merit badges for all sorts of things that may or may not even be tangentially related to the outdoors; since scouting is an international organization you could even make the case that it would fit right in on that level.

I have no connection with scouting, although I was briefly one a *very* long time ago. But my thought is that just establishing an Esperanto merit badge in the Scouts might serve to introduce a whole new group to the language, while at the same time still always allowing it to be their choice whether to get involved or not (I don't remember any particular badges being required, so it would just be one choice among many). I don't know how to go about doing that or who to contact - as I said, I have no connection with scouting whatsoever - nor will I probably follow up with it, so I'm just throwing it into the ring as yet one more idea.

Tempodivalse (User's profile) April 23, 2015, 7:47:01 PM

It depends on what you mean by "pop culture" ... The mass media (e.g. mainstream television, Hollywood, Top 40 music), for one, tends to be self-limiting and reinforce existing public attitudes and perceptions rather than challenge them, at least in the US.

I like to think that "grassroots" efforts - i.e., engaging with people at the human, individual level - is the most fruitful way to spread Esperanto, as opposed to (say) petitioning UNESCO to seriously honour its 1985 resolution in favour of Esperanto (not likely, let's be honest). It's ultimately individuals who make up these larger institutions anyway. In that sense, I definitely agree it's better to start from the bottom up.

Christa627 (User's profile) April 23, 2015, 8:33:45 PM

Tempodivalse:I like to think that "grassroots" efforts - i.e., engaging with people at the human, individual level - is the most fruitful way to spread Esperanto, as opposed to (say) petitioning UNESCO to seriously honour its 1985 resolution in favour of Esperanto (not likely, let's be honest).
But since signing the petition takes about two seconds, we might as well. Couldn't hurt.

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