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Lots of arguing in the Esperanto forums

de Alkanadi, 2015-majo-18

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Alkanadi (Montri la profilon) 2015-majo-18 08:32:15

Now that I understand Esperanto a bit better, I can see that people are fighting, arguing, and making fun of each other in the Esperanto forums.

I don't think this is bad. In fact, it is probably the best way to get better at Esperanto.

But, it is funny and ironic because Zamenhof made the language so that we can all get along with each other.

bryku (Montri la profilon) 2015-majo-18 08:37:28

Alkanadi:Now that I understand Esperanto a bit better, I can see that people are fighting, arguing, and making fun of each other in the Esperanto forums.

I don't think this is bad. In fact, it is probably the best way to get better at Esperanto.

But, it is funny and ironic because Zamenhof made the language so that we can all get along with each other.
If everyone will fight against each other using Esperanto instead of deadly weapons, I think that Zamenhof did a successful work.

hilex (Montri la profilon) 2015-majo-18 08:47:53

bryku:
Alkanadi:Now that I understand Esperanto a bit better, I can see that people are fighting, arguing, and making fun of each other in the Esperanto forums.

I don't think this is bad. In fact, it is probably the best way to get better at Esperanto.

But, it is funny and ironic because Zamenhof made the language so that we can all get along with each other.
If everyone will fight against each other using Esperanto instead of deadly weapons, I think that Zamenhof did a successful work.
Tie ĉi Esperanto estas anticipa stadio antaŭ armilo. Por besto en homo ne estas diferenco kion uzi por mortigi homojn, ĉu lingvo, ĉu armilo.

johmue (Montri la profilon) 2015-majo-18 08:59:51

Alkanadi:Now that I understand Esperanto a bit better, I can see that people are fighting, arguing, and making fun of each other in the Esperanto forums.

I don't think this is bad. In fact, it is probably the best way to get better at Esperanto.

But, it is funny and ironic because Zamenhof made the language so that we can all get along with each other.
Esperanto does its job. It makes people from different groups, not only ethnic but also religous, ideological, political, whatever, communicate with each other. So the Esperanto speakers are a very heterogenous group of different people. So arguing is happening quite naturally.

leporinjo (Montri la profilon) 2015-majo-18 10:21:49

Zamenhof was neither stupid nor naive. The "inner idea" of Esperanto is to make human beings become accustomed to each other over time (the exact word is alkutimigadi, and the "-ad-" is important). That doesn't just happen in 100 years. It would be silly to think that just because we all speak the same language, we're automatically going to get along from the get-go. An international language is only the beginning, and we're not even to the point yet where all the Esperantists speak Esperanto.

Bemused (Montri la profilon) 2015-majo-18 11:39:50

French Revolution, English civil war, American war of independence, invasion of the South by the North.
All demonstrate the same thing.
A common language does not prevent war.

hilex (Montri la profilon) 2015-majo-18 11:44:56

Bemused:French Revolution, English civil war, American war of independence, invasion of the South by the North.
All demonstrate the same thing.
A common language does not prevent war.
Vi pravas. La afero estas ne en lingvo, sed en homo mem. Tial la lingvo ne interpacigas homojn, sed kontraŭe ĝi akrigas problemojn.

klmn (Montri la profilon) 2015-majo-18 11:46:49

leporinjo:Zamenhof was neither stupid nor naive. The "inner idea" of Esperanto is to make human beings become accustomed to each other over time (the exact word is alkutimigadi, and the "-ad-" is important). That doesn't just happen in 100 years. It would be silly to think that just because we all speak the same language, we're automatically going to get along from the get-go. An international language is only the beginning, and we're not even to the point yet where all the Esperantists speak Esperanto.
The common language can make people understand each other better and help them get along.
But it can also help the people hurt and mock each other in a more efficient way.

It will always depend on the end user.

Altebrilas (Montri la profilon) 2015-majo-18 12:30:10

A common language is just one of the conditions of better understanding. You must also use reason and have the desire to understand the point of view of the other, even if you don't agree with him.

Tempodivalse (Montri la profilon) 2015-majo-18 13:26:00

I think the wide variety of opinion - even if I personally find some of it implausible or ignorant - is better than a mass conformity of thought. It is good to get exposed to people and ideas that one might not normally come into direct contact with due to the language barrier.

For example, English-language (in particular US) media and news outlets have one set of biases, the Russian-language media quite another. These biases become quite obvious once you compare them to each other, but most people can't, due to the language barrier. Consequently, people's vantage points are restricted to whatever is written in their language, and this leads to an incomplete understanding (or even just ignorance) of the US/West or Russia, which they mistake for the "full picture".

With an Esperanto-language media, this barrier would at least be lessened and there would be more opportunities to actively engage with opinions and beliefs outside one's own sphere - provided, of course, that the individual is intellectually curious.

Unfortunately, most people aren't intellectually curious, and will just feel threatened by any viewpoint different from their own, which disables their rational thinking faculties. Their reactions are manifested as fear, hatred, and even violence, and can't be solved by a universal language.

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