I highly suggest that anyone who wants to be informed about the concerns non-binary people have with Esperanto, and the solutions they are finding, read this: https://egalecen.wordpress.com/2014/08/04/kial-igi...

I don't see how anyone could possibly claim the author of that article is an "eterna komencanto", as is so often baselessly leveled against "reformemuloj".

Here is further discussion of the same issue by an Akademiano: http://lingvakritiko.com/2014/10/16/esperanto-kaj-...

Furthermore, claiming it's "kontraŭfundamenta" to introduce new pronouns is a self-defeating argument, because the Fundamento goes ahead and introduces a new pronoun in the Fundamenta Ekzercaro.

leporinjo:I highly suggest …

I highly suggest to read this: http://bertilow.com/seksaj_vortoj/index.html To people who wants to learn and speak real esperanto, no dialects.

leporinjo:Furthermore, claiming it's "kontraŭfundamenta" to introduce new pronouns is a self-defeating argument, because the Fundamento goes ahead and introduces a new pronoun in the Fundamenta Ekzercaro.

If it's in the Fundamento, is part of the fundamento. I mean La Fundamenta Ekzercaro has that name for a very clear reason. ¬¬

If you don't like Esperanto as it is, just choose another language. Nobody obligated you to choose Esperanto, don't obligate people to accept your dislikes about it to change it.

Or we all speak the same Esperanto, or there is no Esperanto at all. It's that simple. And that's the reason of the untouchability of the Fundamento.

Ĝis, Novatago.

I'd rather just talk to Bertilo about it myself; we're friends on Facebook and he has been involved in many of the same discussions, although he is taking a neutral stance. Funny how so many Akademianoj are so much less sure about what Esperanto is and isn't than you are. You should ask to become a member so you can clear up all their confusion.

"Or we all speak the same Esperanto, or there is no Esperanto at all."

Then I guess there hasn't been Esperanto at all for a long, long time.

leporinjo:I'd rather just talk to Bertilo about it myself; we're friends on Facebook and he has been involved in many of the same discussions, although he is taking a neutral stance. Funny how so many Akademianoj are so much less sure about what Esperanto is and isn't than you are. You should ask to become a member.

Well many people has a clear opinion of things, that they just don't feel free to express. It's not a surprise that academians don't express their shelves in terms that, with no doubt, you would describe as extremists, no matter if they are actually extremits or not.

Ĝis, Novatago.

leporinjo:
Then I guess there hasn't been Esperanto at all for a long, long time.

Accept it: Today there is an Esperanto to learn because of the Fundamento. There are other projects wich tried to satisfy everybody, but that's the problem, they will rest as projects because you can't satisfy everybody. Esperanto is working language in use that never needed or will need your “help”.

Ĝis, Novatago.

leporinjo:
Then I guess there hasn't been Esperanto at all for a long, long time.

Accept it: Today there is an Esperanto to learn because of the Fundamento. There are other projects which tried to satisfy everybody, but that's the problem, they will rest as projects because you can't satisfy everybody. Esperanto is a working language in use that never needed or will need your “help”. But don't discuss about this. The question is very easy. You don't like it, just give up. I think lidepla is always accepting new changes.

Ĝis, Novatago.

novatago:

leporinjo:I'd rather just talk to Bertilo about it myself; we're friends on Facebook and he has been involved in many of the same discussions, although he is taking a neutral stance. Funny how so many Akademianoj are so much less sure about what Esperanto is and isn't than you are. You should ask to become a member.

Well many people has a clear opinion of things, that they just don't feel free to express. It's not a surprise that academians don't express their shelves in terms that, with no doubt, you would describe as extremists, no matter if they are actually extremits or not.

I linked you to an article where academy member Markos Kramer extensively expresses himself on the issue of gender reform in Esperanto; have you read it yet? No; all you did was shut me down with "read PMEG."

novatago:
You don't like, just give up.

No. I'm here whether you like it or not. Deal with it.

leporinjo:

novatago:

leporinjo:I'd rather just talk to Bertilo about it myself; we're friends on Facebook and he has been involved in many of the same discussions, although he is taking a neutral stance. Funny how so many Akademianoj are so much less sure about what Esperanto is and isn't than you are. You should ask to become a member.

Well many people has a clear opinion of things, that they just don't feel free to express. It's not a surprise that academians don't express their shelves in terms that, with no doubt, you would describe as extremists, no matter if they are actually extremits or not.

I linked you to an article where academy member Markos Kramer extensively expresses himself on the issue of gender reform in Esperanto; have you read it yet? No; all you did was shut me down with "read PMEG."

No because I don't mind that. I mind Esperanto. Of course, I didn't mean that every academian member has a right opinion. They are still humans as we are.

Ĝis, Novatago.

leporinjo:

novatago:
You don't like, just give up.

No. I'm here whether you like it or not. Deal with it.

Great arguement. So you are right because of that of something. But just don't ask people to understand or respect your incoherence.