Meldinger: 95
Språk: English
richardhall (Å vise profilen) 2008 1 30 17:08:00
If I've understood the evolution of English properly, changes in what is considered correct came about because of the way that communities actually used the language. Modern American English retains features of Elizabethan English that have dropped out of use in the UK, but which might well return here through the influence of the media.
I don't know that E-o can develop in that way, precisely because it is an auxilliary language. Even if it's use becomes more widespread, my guess is that it is unlikely to even approach the level of english, and consequently will evolve much more slowly. Attempts to reform the language by fiat will always be resisted and would be unenforceable in any case.
I'm sure that in time there will be some changes to Esperanto, though I wouldn't want to guess what they will be. I suppose in the meantime there's nothing to stop anyone trying to introduce an innovation like -es, or put the poetic ci into widespread use, but the chances are you'll have to explain what you're doing every time you do it, especially to hopeless learners like me. And since the object of the exercise is clarity of communication, I'm thinking that this would get in the way.
In the meantime, I still have to get my ears around Gerda Malaperis.
Miland (Å vise profilen) 2008 1 30 17:19:39
richardhall:I still have to get my ears around Gerda Malaperis.Only ears? I recommend the DVD, good film. I wrote a review of it for Ĝisdate.
erinja (Å vise profilen) 2008 1 30 20:12:46
Miland: Whether adding -es as a possessive suffix in E-o would work I'm not sure, but it may be worth trying.The prefixes and suffixes from the correlatives table are only to be used with each other. That is, you can't take a prefix from the correlatives table and use it with a regular root (so you couldn't say "ki-hundo" to mean "what dog"). This is also why words like "alies" and "aliel" are considered wrong (because ali- is not a prefix in the correlatives table).
Note, however, that if you have a complete correlative (correlative prefix plus correlative suffix, making one complete correlative), you can add grammatical endings to that. So for example, you have "kiom" (ki + om), and it's ok to say "kioma" or "kiomas" or "kiome", but it would be wrong to say *kias (I won't mention "kia" and "kie", since they are already correlatives - and note that "kie" formed from the correlatives table has a vastly different meaning than *kie formed with the correlative ki- plus the adverb -e ending.)
It isn't to say that some reformists of the future won't decide it's ok to combine correlative prefixes and suffixes with regular roots, but as you can see above, it would lead to some double meanings (would "alie" mean "in another way" or "another place"?)
richardhall (Å vise profilen) 2008 1 30 21:53:42
Miland:But the sound is free. I'd have to (swoons) buy the DVD. I did mention that I'm a Yorkshireman*?
Only ears? I recommend the DVD, good film. I wrote a review of it for Ĝisdate.
* Like an Aberdonian, but without the generosity.
Miland (Å vise profilen) 2008 1 30 22:05:51
richardhall: I did mention that I'm a Yorkshireman*?That reminds me of a manager in a hospital in Preston who had a joke on the wall in his office behind his desk, about how God planned to created the world as a place of balance. Hot countries here, cold ones there, rich ones here, poor ones there, filled some with white people, some with black people...finally someone pointed to a little country and said 'What about this place 'Yorkshire'?' 'Ah,' God replied, 'This is a wonderful place with singers, scholars, sportsmen, diplomats, saints, you name it, they've got it.' 'But God,' said the querent, 'Balance. You said balance.' 'Ah,' said God, let me tell you about Lancashire..' Now I asked this manager, naturally, whether he was from Lancashire or Yorkshire himself, and he claimed to be mixed. Whether a cop out, you decide.
* Like an Aberdonian, but without the generosity.
richardhall (Å vise profilen) 2008 1 30 22:20:41
Miland:That reminds me of a manager in a hospital in Preston who had a joke on the wall in his office behind his desk, about how God planned to created the world as a place of balance. Hot countries here, cold ones there, rich ones here, poor ones there, filled some with white people, some with black people...finally someone pointed to a little country and said 'What about this place 'Yorkshire'?' 'Ah,' God replied, 'This is a wonderful place with singers, scholars, sportsmen, diplomats, saints, you name it, they've got it.' 'But God,' said the querent, 'Balance. You said balance.' 'Ah,' said God, let me tell you about Lancashire..' Now I asked this manager, naturally, whether he was from Lancashire or Yorkshire himself, and he claimed to be mixed. Whether a cop out, you decide.
Miland (Å vise profilen) 2008 1 31 21:46:40
richardhall: I did mention that I'm a Yorkshireman*?Another joke, which I saw in a book as a child, and so can disavow responsibility for: An Aberdonian saw a coin in the road and, trying to get it, was run over by a passing vehicle. Coroner's verdict: death by natural causes.
* Like an Aberdonian, but without the generosity.
richardhall (Å vise profilen) 2008 1 31 22:11:47
Miland (Å vise profilen) 2008 2 1 00:05:36
richardhall (Å vise profilen) 2008 2 1 07:29:09
Of course, there would have been at least two assailants. The one weilding the black pudding exclaiming, "E by gum!"
Miland:An imaginative reconstruction of the crime scene: the murderer caught him trying to put sugar instead of salt into the porridge, and this was North of the border. 'Ye cad!,' he shouted. 'Ye boundurr! Ye absolu' shuwurr! Tak' that!' and let him have it with the black pudding.