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sudanglo (顯示個人資料) 2015年6月26日上午10:43:33
Why not ask in the Esperanto section in the forums for the meaning of 'ŭaŭ-sento', and see how many people understand that as meaning astonishment.
Found this is in a review in Monato.
Kiam, antaŭ kelkaj semajnoj, mi vidis la novan dikan Krause, mia unua impreso estis iu ŭaŭ-sento.
Also in the same review.
Ŭaŭ! Mil sescent sepdek naŭ paĝojn. Ŭaŭ! En ĉiu paĝo kvarcent ok kvadratcentimetrojn. Ŭaŭ! Bela bindo!
Also see Onomatopeoj_en_Esperanto (look under sentoj)
Temp, could find no instances of 'Vaŭ'. If you don't like the initial 'ŭ', you could use Uaŭ!
Kirilo81 (顯示個人資料) 2015年6月26日下午12:04:57
ŭaŭ of course is a perfect internationalism, in Polish I've once seen it written as łał.
yyaann (顯示個人資料) 2015年6月26日下午12:22:00
sudanglo:Wow! might be fairly international. So under rule 15 (admission of international words) Ŭaŭ!.At least we have something very similar in France, with various spellings and pronunciations: "waou", "ouaou", "ouah","oua", "wa", "wow", etc.
In Spanish I've seen "wau" being used but with the "ŭ" sound not being common in initial position in Spanish, many people pronounce it like "gŭaŭ". Sometimes it's reflected in spelling since you do encounter "guau" as well. So it might be a good idea to ask people of various backgrounds (preferably in Esperanto) which alternative (ŭaŭ, uaŭ, vaŭ, ...) is easiest to them (if they actually consider it to be an issue, that is).
Altebrilas (顯示個人資料) 2015年6月26日下午4:15:57
Now a lot of people around the world have learnt enough of english to be able to pronounce words beginning with "w". It was not the case at the time of Zamenhof. So this taboo has no longer any reason to exist: It will make one less exception in Esperanto.
Kirilo81 (顯示個人資料) 2015年6月26日下午5:32:25
Altebrilas:Why "ŭ" is forbidden in first position?Because it is explicitly formulated in the Fundamento, which is still valid for all of us, that ŭ can appear only after vowels, forming a diphthong.
The only syllabification of naŭa vel sim. I've ever heart is naŭ-a.
mbalicki (顯示個人資料) 2015年6月26日下午10:55:03
Kirilo81:I think in onomatopoeia ŭ can occur in otherwise forbidden positions, cf. Zamenhofian kŭaks (of toads).Yes, in onomatopœias it does occur, but “wow” isn't an onomatopœia at all. Exclamations are normal words and therefore I would argue, that one shall not use ŭ outside the syllables aŭ and eŭ.
And why use some other exclamation, since we already have ones sanctioned by the tradition?
Exclamations and expressions of emotions are parts of the language, and since I accept it with all its benefits and flaws, therefore I also learn words like “ha”, “ho”, “ve”, “fi”, “nu”, “hoj” &c.