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How to pronounce "scias"?

של WereVrock, 5 ביולי 2015

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שפה: English

WereVrock (הצגת פרופיל) 5 ביולי 2015, 06:43:40

I was watching evildea, a videoblogger on youtube. He is pronouncing "scias" as if there is no "c" there.

As far as I know, it is pronounced something like "stsias"(with a momentary stop between s and t) so I'm not sure whether he is pronouncing it wrong or I'm pronouncing it wrong.

You can hear him say it at 0:12 in this video

WereVrock (הצגת פרופיל) 5 ביולי 2015, 07:22:19

You can enable subtitles in Esperanto.

I pronounce it like google translate does.

SPX (הצגת פרופיל) 5 ביולי 2015, 07:55:09

Going simply from what I've learned from the "Kurso de Esperanto" (which I trust) it should be essentially pronounced like "sit-SEE-ahs."

A more experienced speaker can correct me on this.

nornen (הצגת פרופיל) 5 ביולי 2015, 08:13:08

SPX:Going simply from what I've learned from the "Kurso de Esperanto" (which I trust) it should be essentially pronounced like "sit-SEE-ahs."

A more experienced speaker can correct me on this.
You should omit the "i": STSEE-ahs.

WereVrock (הצגת פרופיל) 5 ביולי 2015, 09:03:09

nornen:You should omit the "i": STSEE-ahs.
Then Google Translate pronounces it correctly. Thanks.

michaleo (הצגת פרופיל) 5 ביולי 2015, 10:55:23

WereVrock (הצגת פרופיל) 5 ביולי 2015, 11:27:25

michaleo:http://www.forvo.com/word/scias/
http://www.forvo.com/word/mi_ne_scias/#eo
The Russian guy in the second link pronounces it in a way that requires one to listen very carefully to hear the sound t between the s sounds. It is almost between Evildea and google translate. The German pronounces it in a clearer way. We can easily hear the t sound.

michaleo (הצגת פרופיל) 5 ביולי 2015, 11:31:10

WereVrock:
michaleo:http://www.forvo.com/word/scias/
http://www.forvo.com/word/mi_ne_scias/#eo
The Russian guy in the second link pronounces it in a way that requires one to listen very carefully to hear the sound t between the s sounds. It is almost between Evildea and google translate. The german pronounces it in a clearer way. We can easily hear the t sound.
Actually, it should be one sound not two. I didn't notice much difference between these guys.

WereVrock (הצגת פרופיל) 5 ביולי 2015, 11:46:04

It is 3 sounds. S, t and another s because the sound c is actually consist of 2 sounds. If one simply pronounce c as s then it merges with the other s and it becomes a single s. The question is which one is the correct one.

If the German pronunciation is correct I can easily imitate him. Actually that is the way I pronounce it already.

mbalicki (הצגת פרופיל) 5 ביולי 2015, 13:22:55

WereVrock:It is 3 sounds. S, t and another s because the sound c is actually consist of 2 sounds. If one simply pronounce c as s then it merges with the other s and it becomes a single s. The question is which one is the correct one.
No, no, no! The letter „c” signifies only one sound /t͡s/ (affricate, ekfrota konsonanto), which is different from „ts” which would be pronounced as /ts/ (stop + fricative, halta + frota konsonantoj).

I could find the exact question Zamenhof was asked but the answer is rather clear:

LR 71 C (1910), PVZ IX, p. 135:Via opinio pri „c”, „ĉ”, „ĝ” estas erara; estas vero, kelkaj nacioj elparolas ilin kiel „ts”, „tŝ”, „dĵ” — sed ne ĉiuj nacioj tion faras.

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