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how long it takrs to learn esperanto perfectly ?

de ravana, 2015-julio-29

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ravana (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-29 08:49:04

How much time did you need it ?

Alkanadi (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-29 09:03:39

ravana:How much time did you need it ?
At least 1 year. Maybe you can learn it faster but I think it takes about one year.

If I remember correctly Tim Morley said that it took him a year to feel comfortable with it.

Based on this info, I would say Esperanto should take you about 400 hours to learn. There are 365 days in a year. So about 1 hour a day for a year.

Check out Benny Lewis' website. If he can learn a language in 3 months then Esperanto could be learned just as fast I guess.

Vestitor (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-29 09:21:48

I'd be wary of the 'in three months' or 'in a year' projections. For the average language learner it takes about 2-3 years to become functional in a foreign language and then about 8-10 years to become fluent and have absorbed many nuances of the language; often with immersion in the spoken language. This is setting aside the youtube polyglots and any claims to have a magical, super-fast teaching system.

The claim for Esperanto is that it is learned in a fraction of the time. A fraction of 'what time' is the question. Everyone has different capacities and different speeds of learning. I'd say if you're good with languages, you'll learn faster. If you struggle with languages, it will be slower.
As far as I can see the regularity of Esperanto merely reduces the burden of learning, it doesn't take away the need for repetition and practice and it has its own obstacles (despite some people pretending it is the font of constructional logic).

"Perfectly"...that's a lofty desire. For actual verbal fluency, how many people actually get good without regular conversational practice? Never mind perfect.

Alkanadi (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-29 09:36:21

Vestitor:I'd be wary of the 'in three months' or 'in a year' projections. For the average language learner it takes about 2-3 years to become functional in a foreign language and then about 8-10 years to become fluent and have absorbed many nuances of the language; often with immersion in the spoken language. This is setting aside the youtube polyglots and any claims to have a magical, super-fast teaching system.
Yah. It should be taken with a grain of salt.

I think this is a good estimator because it is based on real research.
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-...

Vestitor (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-29 10:13:33

I think the best plan is to just start learning, keep it regular and see how one progresses. Worrying about time limits is like watching grass grow...i.e. never fast enough for an observer.

Red_Rat_Writer (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-29 12:23:59

If you are able to not speak English for 3 months, and completely immerse yourself in Esperanto talking, writing, reading and listening, then you can become fluent fairly quickly.

However, most people don't have the freedom to do that.

Alkanadi (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-29 14:10:26

Vestitor:I think the best plan is to just start learning, keep it regular and see how one progresses. Worrying about time limits is like watching grass grow...i.e. never fast enough for an observer.
Well said.

If someone doesn't enjoy the journey then they probably won't stick with it.

I am a monolingual English speaker. English is my native tongue. But, I am still learning English. Today I learned the meaning, spelling, and pronunciation of the word Isotonic. There is no such thing as being perfect and knowing all the vocab. I still make mistakes from time to time with regards to grammar or syntax. Sometimes, I get stuck in the middle of a sentence and I have to rephrase it. It happens to all of us. With that in mind, you will never be perfect in a language.

It is better to have fun with it and enjoy the ride rather that setting goals and turning it into work.

bryku (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-29 17:14:34

I don't know how long it takes to learn it perfectly, but to learn it good enough one year seems to be fine.

jdawdy (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-29 17:42:57

I'm at almost a year, and my vocabulary is around 2000 words. I still have a little difficulty with some grammatical concepts (transitive/intransitive verbs for example). My reading is good, my writing is OK but I often need to check it to make sure it's correct. My speaking is weak (no one to practice with regularly).

I have some difficulty reading very high-level Esperanto, such as novels or complicated texts. Websites, magazines, etc are not a problem except for the occasional unknown word.

Maybe I'm just slow, but I think to gain a near-native level of fluency in Esperanto, I would need about 5 years. Still, if you thank about it, just that much progress in less than a year is amazing, and being near-native (i.e. as fluent in Esperanto as I am in English) in 4-5 years is equally amazing. I can think of no other language where you can make that kind of progress that quickly. I've spoken Russian for 15 years, lived in the former Soviet Union, worked in all-Russian workplaces, and have been married to a Russian speaker- and I'm still only intermediate in Russian.

ravana (Montri la profilon) 2015-julio-29 18:03:30

Good think about esperanto for the croats is that the ortogrphy is the same . For example č ,š and the all other letters . It is pronounced as it written just like croatian so we have not problemme with reading or wrtenig it .

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