Missatges: 7
Llengua: English
bayu (Mostra el perfil) 3 de novembre de 2015 18.30.05
Neniu leciono nek prelego plaĉis al ŝi. - No lesson or lecture pleased her
I expected Nenia instead of Neniu. Is one of them wrong or is there a difference in the meaning? I consulted other grammars but didn't find anything unambigously conclusive.
Sphynx (Mostra el perfil) 3 de novembre de 2015 18.43.29
The correlatives are essentially grouped as -ia (quality), -ial (motive), -iam (time or duration), -ie (place or location), -iel (manner in which...), -ies (possession), -io (things), -iom (quantity) and -iu (individuality).
When I was learning these things, it was like hitting a brick wall. Was learning at a real pace, then was stumped with them for weeks.
bayu (Mostra el perfil) 3 de novembre de 2015 20.24.09
I assume I'm stumped because I don't know which of these neni-words can be used like an adjective.
I don't think it's all of them. But who knows Wouldn't be the first surprise. Back to studying.
Sphynx (Mostra el perfil) 3 de novembre de 2015 21.18.57
Nenie would be 'no place...', neniom would be 'no quantity of...' Etc. and often /all/ have to be read to make a sentence make sense. Yet other times like the neniu example, 'no individual lesson...' could be shortened to 'no lesson...' and still make perfect sense. I do this a lot and therefore confuse myself for the EO translation.
sudanglo (Mostra el perfil) 4 de novembre de 2015 11.52.47
Neniu leciono plaĉis al ŝi - she liked none of the lessons
Nenia leciono plaĉis al ŝi - there wasn't any type of lesson she liked.
Neniu can be used as an adjective or a noun. It belongs to the small group of words in Esperanto that don't require a grammatical ending, and can often be used in more than one grammatical role.
(NB. Useful phrase: - Mi havas absolute nenian ideon - I haven't got a clue.)
Whether the 'a' in nenia is the adjective ending (or the 'o' in nenio is the noun ending) is debateable
You will probably find it more profitable to think of nenia (and nenio) as stand-alone roots (like neniu) and think of the final letter as a mnemonic device helping you to remember the meaning of nenia (and nenio).
That said, you will come across compound words with neni, for example neniigi (nullify, cancel, destroy) where the neni seems to stand for nenio.
But the ti in tio/tia, the ki in kio/kia, the ĉi in ĉio/ĉia, do not seem to be detachable (ie have not led to compound word formation).
You could always argue that nenio really is neni+o, but that sticks you with the idea the nenie should mean 'in no way' rather than nowhere.
A better solution is to say that nenio is one root (as is nenia also), and to list in the dictionary 'neni' as pseudo prefix, generating a handful of words like neniigi and nenifari.
nornen (Mostra el perfil) 4 de novembre de 2015 16.31.49
Sphynx:The -ia words cover 'quality' while the -iu words are 'individuality'.+1. Great explanation.
Alkanadi (Mostra el perfil) 4 de novembre de 2015 16.36.42
neniu = not any particular one of something
None of the lessons pleased her
Neniu leciono plaĉis al ŝi
No type of lesson pleased her
Nenia leciono plaĉis al ŝi
When you see iu it is something that can be chosen or it is a selection of something.
You could probably use nenia or neniu in this case but neniu is way better.