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Promote Esperanto Literacy

von Alkanadi, 12. Januar 2016

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Sprache: English

Alkanadi (Profil anzeigen) 12. Januar 2016 16:37:44

Bodler:We don't care if you do some mistakes in esperanto, but we care about the "krokodilaĵoj". There is something strange in promoting esperanto by krokodiling in an esperantist forum. Tio estas bedaŭrinda.
Yah. I should post there more often instead of in the English forum.

se (Profil anzeigen) 13. Januar 2016 00:49:48

erinja:

At the opening ceremony, there is usually a thing where the national Esperanto association of each country gives their official greetings to the convention. This is a written statement that is read aloud by someone representing that association. It may or may not be someone from that country who is reading the statement, the statement is usually written by an administrator of the association (not by the person reading it), and the statement has no important content, it's just a greeting and good wishes in the name of the association.

So the country printed on your badge is really meaningless, it only means the country you live in. It doesn't mean you were born there and it doesn't mean it's the country of your ethnic origin and it doesn't mean you're a citizen. They take it from your address on the registration form, I don't even think there's a separate blank to fill in the country you originally came from, even if you wanted to indicate that.

Edit:
You can watch a video of the "landaj salutoj" (greetings from various countries) during the opening ceremony; there is also a video of greetings from various Esperanto associations.
I attended the 97th world congress of Esperanto in Hanoi. I was the representative to be on the stage as i was the only participant.

If the name of the country is so meaningless, why do it ? Leave it out and do not proud to show the world there are how many people from the world participated in the congress.

What you feel may not be the same as the UEA. UEA needs a rest. Stop organising world congress and let the region and country congress to flourish.

The main task of UEA should be making out strategies to make Esperanto the 7th UN official language. Calling those countries whose national languages are not represented in UN sign up to make Esperanto as the official language. 100th Universala Kongreso was over, where are the results? The congress resolutions are keep in the drawers.

Vestitor (Profil anzeigen) 13. Januar 2016 01:34:09

se:The main task of UEA should be making out strategies to make Esperanto the 7th UN official language. Calling those countries whose national languages are not represented in UN sign up to make Esperanto as the official language. 100th Universala Kongreso was over, where are the results? The congress resolutions are keep in the drawers.
It seems to me that is precisely what the UEA is working towards:

UEA Strategic plan 2013-2017

se (Profil anzeigen) 13. Januar 2016 06:19:05

Vestitor:

It seems to me that is precisely what the UEA is working towards:

UEA Strategic plan 2013-2017
Do you think that will work ? Every where is the AMO kognreso, not able to reach the government. Just the illusion.

Money speaks a lot. How much money the Commonwealth org gave to member countries each year ?

No job, who is going to learn Esperanto ?

Esperantujo is still sleeping much without knowing how internet can help much. One Duolingo course, has more than 250k learners. Without jobs to come by, these learners will take Esperanto as the hobby group.

Mostly those who still think kongreso can bring in the result are those senior esperantists,perhaps, who are retired at home and dreaming the days which will never come.

Even the Hungary esperanto learners are merely learning esperanto to fulfill the university requirements. There are not jobs which required Esperanto. Why they should hang on to a language which is only a hobby.

The MOOC courses are a lot, many private companies are doing it in various language, Spanish, Portugese etc. Why the Esperanto universitato is just a name ? Those professors should come forward to make courses, MOOC course are short.

Alkanadi (Profil anzeigen) 13. Januar 2016 14:03:41

Vestitor:It seems to me that is precisely what the UEA is working towards:

UEA Strategic plan 2013-2017
That is good to know. They have big goals and a plan to achieve them. I though it was something more haphazard.

If anyone out there is listening from the UEA, I strongly suggest the following to achieve your goals:
Learn as much as you can from Gary Vaynerchuk. He is a marketing genius. Social media is the key to more brand awareness of Esperanto!

erinja (Profil anzeigen) 13. Januar 2016 14:56:49

se:
Vestitor:It seems to me that is precisely what the UEA is working towards:

UEA Strategic plan 2013-2017
Do you think that will work ? Every where is the AMO kognreso, not able to reach the government. Just the illusion.
You just said, "The main task of UEA should be making out strategies to make Esperanto the 7th UN official language.", and now that you hear that the UEA is working on this, you say it is a waste of time. So is it a waste of time or not? And if it is a waste of time, then perhaps the UEA should *not* be working on this?

The world congresses are useful because it is a way to plan a very large event. Most national congresses are small. It is not really worth my time to travel 16 hours to reach the Esperanto congress of a small country, where only a few of the participants of the congress speak Esperanto .

Why do they do the salutoj at the congresses? I have no clue but I skip the opening ceremony because I am not interested in hearing everyone say how wonderful they hope the kongreso will be.

Why do they put the country on your badge? It is not meaningless - just the meaning is not what you prefer. It means "where this person lives now". I am interested to know what country someone lives in, maybe they know an Esperanto friend of mine who lives there. I know an Esperanto speaker who was born and raised in Japan, but now he lives in Israel and he is an Israeli citizen. It has been some time since he lived in Japan but he lived in Israel also for some years before he became a citizen. Are you saying that they should have put "Japan" on his badge for all of the years he lived in Israel, until he gained citizenship and then they should put "Israel"? Or is he never allowed to have "Israel" on his badge because he looks Japanese and was born in Japan?

I once met with some young and active Esperantists in London. They were all foreign-born but they were at the core of Esperanto activities in London. Should we put all different countries on their badges, as if they don't even know each other, as if they are active in the movements of their home countries? That doesn't really make sense. They were active in the British Esperanto movement, not the movements of wherever they came from.

se (Profil anzeigen) 14. Januar 2016 04:01:18

erinja:Why do they put the country on your badge? It is not meaningless - just the meaning is not what you prefer. It means "where this person lives now". I am interested to know what country someone lives in, maybe they know an Esperanto friend of mine who lives there. I know an Esperanto speaker who was born and raised in Japan, but now he lives in Israel and he is an Israeli citizen. It has been some time since he lived in Japan but he lived in Israel also for some years before he became a citizen. Are you saying that they should have put "Japan" on his badge for all of the years he lived in Israel, until he gained citizenship and then they should put "Israel"? Or is he never allowed to have "Israel" on his badge because he looks Japanese and was born in Japan?

I once met with some young and active Esperantists in London. They were all foreign-born but they were at the core of Esperanto activities in London. Should we put all different countries on their badges, as if they don't even know each other, as if they are active in the movements of their home countries? That doesn't really make sense. They were active in the British Esperanto movement, not the movements of wherever they came from.
What is the purpose of international passport. No matter how many years one lives in that country, s/he is not consider as the citizen of that particular country and has no right to represent it in any form of list. Many green card holders in the USA are not the citizens of USA but USA pratices dual citizenship, a famous esperantist from USA via second home migrate to Malaysia and remarried a young Thai wife, he still could not be a citizen of Malaysia but UEA put him as the representative of Malaysia Esperanto. What a big joke he could not even speak the local languages, how he could explained to the people about Esperanto. Yes, he did some talks in the posh clubs for English speakers. English speakers in Malaysia do not need Esperanto to survive but the poor ones are. If knowledge is power, Esperanto can give power to the poors.

What I could not understand is world congress is to show the sill of organising world conference. What about the world TESOL conference in USA and other places.

Yes, what UEA committee members are good at making plans for organising more kongreso without any aim.

Can anyone show me the result of the kongresoj ?

Which country in the world accepted Esperanto in the schools aftet the world congress was held in that particular country ?

Esperantujo have to wake up. It should not be allowed the few to dictate the world affairs. The job of UEA is to see to the NGOs respect the UNESCO resolutions to use Esperanto.

I attended not too many international conferences, what the conferences called for the porfessional papers, and these papers are made into review/periodicals. What Universala Kongreso thus far have published the research papers ? A China Day or a prayer season ?

se (Profil anzeigen) 14. Januar 2016 04:31:40

erinja:The world congresses are useful because it is a way to plan a very large event. Most national congresses are small. It is not really worth my time to travel 16 hours to reach the Esperanto congress of a small country, where only a few of the participants of the congress speak Esperanto .
That is the reason I suggested country congress should be more often organised but not the world congress that one has to travelled thousands of miles to the venue. Of course, a big country like USA, China or India, holding the congress in the northern part is far for the southerners. But it would not as far as from Australi to Argentina. Most of the participants are tourists.

If UEA stops organising UK and encouraged more regional and nation congress, this would wake up more local people.

Well, large event. I doubt UKo will not be as large as the scout world jamboree. It is not in 2000 or 3000 but in tens of thousand. Look at the recent one one in Japan.

In the internet age, do we have to waste time, money for just a congress ?

Esperantujo should focus more on professional congress like KAEST, agriculture etc. The position of UEA should be reviewed.

Alkanadi (Profil anzeigen) 14. Januar 2016 06:59:27

se:
I have an idea for you. Can you make youtube videos in Esperanto to explain your ideas?

se (Profil anzeigen) 14. Januar 2016 09:46:56

Alkanadi:
se:
I have an idea for you. Can you make youtube videos in Esperanto to explain your ideas?
Why should I make youtube to explain ? Not all people are youtube crazy like that Australian. Just as not all people like to learn Esperanto in lernu. There are other means to learn Esperanto and now you know Duolingo.

It is too long that no one dare to make a sound of UEA. It should be called the universala kongreso en turismo.

The talk is cheap. The UEA committee members did not make Esperanto as the second language at home. THe leaders of the national esperanto associations did not able to convince the spouse to learn Esperanto. They wanted other people to convince the government to allow schools to teach Esperanto. Everyone should learn Esperanto. Too addicted and do not reflect on their own circumstances. These are all put forward to me when I promote esperanto.

How many people dared to make a voice of bojkoti like this ?

Now the Esperanto congress in Indonesia is so cold and again, they are doing it like the UKo, nothing much. a hobby club gathering perhaps, Klingo did it better.

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