se:Shouldn't the hobby clubs have their own choice to decide where they should hold their meeting ? Just 30 or 40 is a small amount but this is a hobby group. Nothing to be a shame of, why need the large of people together but they cannot talk in the same hobby ?

Yes. They all have a choice, they could meet in any place at any time, and many or most of them choose the UK for holding their annual meeting. Did you think that the UEA forces them to make this choice? Of course not.

There is no Esperanto club or association in my place nor the association in my country, thus the question is not here.

Sorry, I thought you said earlier that a foreigner represented Malaysia at an Esperanto event and you were upset about that.

Your English is hard for me to understand. It is hard to have a conversation with someone when you are not sure that you correctly understand the meaning of what they are saying. That is why I suggested moving to the Esperanto forum.

I don't think I will participate in this conversation anymore. All I am hearing is "The UEA is a terrible organization that doesn't do what I want it to do."

If you don't like it, then don't be a member, and plan your own regional events and I am sure that many people will definitely come, because you seem very sure that large international congresses are a waste of money and that regional events are the best way for the future. Fortunately, you are in a position to prove this by planning your own regional event. Best of luck!

Bemused:
Perhaps the members of the UEA are simply exhausted, or lacking in motivation.
Perhaps they would welcome enthusiastic new members who have new ideas.
Perhaps instead of criticising the UEA from the outside, you could consider joining them, and influencing the actions of the organisation from the inside.

It is not the members of UEA are exhausted, if you know how Ian was thrown out of the esperantujo,you should know how 'dictator' the organisation is. UEA is not allowed to be criticised

The organisation does not have a clear plan. They are just addicted to the unversala kongreso, nothing else.

If we put those people in the commercial firm, if they cannot earn money for the company, they must leave, I think there would no one dare to be the president of UEA.

How the six representatives are elected I did not know. I got the ballot form of seven names and chose six. How these people are named in the highest post. No one know.

I was very annoyed and angry when I read the 97th UK resolution that all participants agreed to that published online resolution of UEA. I did not even know about that but I was forced to admit it. I sent in a letter to the central office demanding for a clearification that I did not agree to that. But certainly, you know, they did not reply at all.

It is a way that more esperanto speakers should get out of the old mode of promoting esperanto via kongreso. They should use the power of internet as Duestch Welle said, internet gave esperanto a pair of wings to fly high.

Duolingo is a good example.

Vestitor:
The point is that the UEA is rather Eurocentric, despite being a 'world body' and Se is in Malaysia. I don't think they're quite open to people just knocking on their door and offering to put their house in order - not that there's much chance anyway of coming several thousand miles to do so.

All such organisations are willing to accept 'foot soldiers' who carry out the activities prescribed by the core group of officers, with not much say about whether or not you think it's productive work. A little like political parties.
I live in the same country as the UEA base and I wouldn't be able to invest unpaid time into activities; who can in this economic structure?

Thanks, I agreed to some point, instead of saying they want the locals,Dr Prabal, the former UEA president is from India.

But if you follow closely and read the development of UEA, you should know that Professor Prabal was a president just listening to someone behind the curtain,like the china qing dynasty, listening from voice behind the curtain. As an academician in the university, how busy it would be and how one can have time to do all the planing and supervise the international body. He was reelected again for the term of two and four years together. He is not very active in India either

If esperanto speakers can start something new to inform UEA, hey, look, this is your duty, by boycotting the UK, they only can wake up.

spreecamper:
I can understand your anger even if if wouldn't name like you do. In my opinion current UEA board doesn't (want to) realize that Esperanto community is widespread language minority which of course doesn't mean to moan like sacrificial lamb.

Somewhat UEA reminds me to that story about dull dinosaur herd not knowing (or want to know) about upcoming meteorite impact. But thats not what concerns me much. For sure regional E-o events also will work without UEA existing. Thats count for me like E-o user.

Thanks buddy. if you search bahasa indonesia untuk ASEAN, use the google transltor to read it. Indonesia is planing to dominate ASEAN countries by using Indonesia language, that is Bahasa Indonesia. But the UEA and other esperanto speakers are still crazy for kongresoj.

EU has only 500 million people, Asean has 600 million people.

If esperanto speakers can be united to start investment in Asean via project of online courses and some tourism. This would diffuse the Indonesian to dominate the region. Indonesia stopped teaching English few years ago and the representative did not agree to use English as the common language in Asean Community, which was officially formed last December. Now there is no common language yet in the Asean Community.

Each esperanto speaker invest as a share holder of 100 euro, if there is an equal amount of UKo participants, average, 1500, 1500 x 100 =150,000 euro. It would be good to start the online course in less developed country in ASEAN like Cambodia, Laos or even Myanmar. I mentioned many times of Cambodia as there are good resources, about 20 esperanto speakers there, Laos has bad internet connection and Myanmar, the newly elected government, i have no idea.

Cambodia was a French colony, so as Laos and Vietnam, they do not have strong sentiment towards English like Myanmar, Malaysia, Singapore. Thus the best location will be in Cambodia.

But most esperanto speakers would like to be in a big city and modern city. How high the cost it would be. Online courses and college do not need to be in city,it can be operated from a village with good internet connection.

Getting accredition is another issue later, but who are able to do it is a vital question.

In the developing countries, management, administration courses are very important, Banking and finance is next, but this is still a small area. Management and administration skills are needed in all sectors.This type of courses are short. The target should be those who can be self independent and want to improve the skill. Later come the fresh school leavers etc.

erinja:Yes. They all have a choice, they could meet in any place at any time, and many or most of them choose the UK for holding their annual meeting. Did you think that the UEA forces them to make this choice? Of course not.

These groups of hobby clubs are the rich members and they are certainly out of date in this internet age. I have mentioned how people can use google hangout, youtube, periscope etc to be get together. I do not want to repeat here.

Sorry, I thought you said earlier that a foreigner represented Malaysia at an Esperanto event and you were upset about that.

He was appointed by UEA and I did not care about it. Despite Renato Corsetti told me to self appointing myself as the president in Malaysia, I rejected. There are laws in Malaysia not as one wishes to do.

Your English is hard for me to understand. It is hard to have a conversation with someone when you are not sure that you correctly understand the meaning of what they are saying. That is why I suggested moving to the Esperanto forum.

If anyone want it, they can start the new thread there. I am not interested in the same discussion over and over with no action. Most forum visitors are merely operate from home, most of them are having too much time.

I don't think I will participate in this conversation anymore. All I am hearing is "The UEA is a terrible organization that doesn't do what I want it to do."

Thank you, I am glad that I do not see your ancient opinion in my discussion. You are far from the other side of the globe and you said that KER examination certificate is useless. Why China is fighting to list Hanyu Shuipin Kaoshi,HSK, which is equavilent to the high school certificate,anyone holds it and can enter all universities in China. Why KER certificate is useless because there is no Esperanto university and companies to ask for it.

If you don't like it, then don't be a member, and plan your own regional events and I am sure that many people will definitely come, because you seem very sure that large international congresses are a waste of money and that regional events are the best way for the future. Fortunately, you are in a position to prove this by planning your own regional event. Best of luck!

I was a member of UEA for two years and withdrew myself already. But they still did not return the remaining money I have in my account. Wishing you all the best and your experience in coaching Esperanto is better than your suggestion in development of Esperanto, especially in the internet age.

se:These groups of hobby clubs are the rich members and they are certainly out of date in this internet age. I have mentioned how people can use google hangout, youtube, periscope etc to be get together. I do not want to repeat here.

Do you really think skyping is the same as meeting people face to face? I'd rather meet people in real life if it's possible.

se:It is a way that more esperanto speakers should get out of the old mode of promoting esperanto via kongreso.

Its traditional thing. You could name it traditional non-sense and feel relaxed further, isn't? Sometimes ignoring something let go self-blocking anger away.

se:They should use the power of internet as Duestch Welle said, internet gave esperanto a pair of wings to fly high.

Do you mean Deutsche Welle?

se:Duolingo is a good example.

Well, first Duolingo and similar it are sporty challenges of language learning. Nothing more. It doesn't say something about feeling motivated further to participate at onsite events. In my opinion generaly it needs mix from reta and surloka activities to get folks activated.

se:Indonesia is planing to dominate ASEAN countries by using Indonesia language, that is Bahasa Indonesia. But the UEA and other esperanto speakers are still crazy for kongresoj.

So, you think some big chance will be missed?

se:EU has only 500 million people, Asean has 600 million people.

Yoh, but what do you wanna say with this number juggling? Are there travel distances not more important than people numbers?

se:If esperanto speakers can be united to start investment in Asean via project of online courses and some tourism. This would diffuse the Indonesian to dominate the region. Indonesia stopped teaching English few years ago and the representative did not agree to use English as the common language in Asean Community, which was officially formed last December. Now there is no common language yet in the Asean Community.

Thats interesting. So it seems to be kind of language politics to keep people in region.

se:The target should be those who can be self independent and want to improve the skill. Later come the fresh school leavers etc.

Yes, but in my opinion these target folks you only can convince by face-to-face conversation one people per one people.

se:If anyone want it, they can start the new thread there. I am not interested in the same discussion over and over with no action. Most forum visitors are merely operate from home, most of them are having too much time.

You're right. Contrary to you, Esperanto is hobby for me, not obsession.
Btw, this youtube channel covers something you mention in this thread.

Mutusen:

se:These groups of hobby clubs are the rich members and they are certainly out of date in this internet age. I have mentioned how people can use google hangout, youtube, periscope etc to be get together. I do not want to repeat here.

Do you really think skyping is the same as meeting people face to face? I'd rather meet people in real life if it's possible.

It is a personal choice, what about ham radio ? Do they meet face to face. The scouting world event of JOTA and JOTI, millions of youngsters are participating each year.

Esperanto is a hobby or economy, it is each and individual choice.

Bad leadership will led Esperantujo to no where. When Indonesia announced stopping teaching English, few Australian schools responded immediately to that by teaching bahasa Indonesia in the schools.

If Bahasa Indonesia is the main regional language in ASEAN, would EU not being affected ?

Discussion is still back to square one.

Wasting the time in the forum would not help much. Using the same amount of time to plant a few pots of flowers to beautify the house is much better, economy value is higher.

Gxis

robbkvasnak:One mistake that most non-Americans make is to assume that all of us in the USA are wealthy. I certainly am not. I make $14,000 a year right now.

Due to overpopulation, most of the world lives on a dollar or two per day. That means that if you have 30 dollars in your pocket right now, you could provide for one person for an entire month.

I have enough money in my pocket to pay their expenses for an entire year.

Imagine if there was a society where it was normal to carry about $14,000 dollars (what you make per year) as pocket change. Would you think they were rich?

That is why they think we are all rich.