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언어: English
lagtendisto (프로필 보기) 2016년 4월 27일 오후 4:09:33
Alkanadi:Yes. Esperanto is a product.Okay, if it makes you happy to think so. For me, Esperanto culture is historical outcome, which of course could be used to make money by offering services and creating business networks (i.e. ikso.net) and other business activities with help of Esperanto language. For me Esperanto remains everything else than some product distributed by some Door-to-Door/Drückerkolonne like i.e. this one. May be your definition of English 'product' differs from German definition of 'Produkt'.
I will not follow up this discussion which now seems to serve only reason about who has interpretive dominance of this topic. I propose to ignore each others opinion at this topic.
Alkanadi (프로필 보기) 2016년 4월 28일 오전 6:59:39
spreecamper:May be your definition of English 'product' differs from German definition of 'Produkt'.I like this defenition:
"In marketing, a product is anything that can be offered to a market that might satisfy a want or need."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_%28business%...
Esperanto is offered to the market for the purpose of fulfilling a want or need. Some people might think that it isn't a product because it is free. But, in reality, it is not free. It appears free because someone else is paying the bill.
I will not follow up this discussion which now seems to serve only reason about who has interpretive dominance of this topic.Yes. This conversation will easily turn into a war of words.
mkj1887 (프로필 보기) 2016년 4월 29일 오후 2:36:55
Alkanadi:The only thing that brings awareness is the creation of engaging content.Vaidd:I think it's frustrating. Esperanto has a rich history and yet seemingly 0.001% of the American population even knows of its existence. If I bring it up in conversation, immediately it's, "Oh you mean Espanol? Yeah I know about that." >.<Youtube is a good way to bring awareness. Maybe the UEA could spend some of their money to lobby famous polyglots on Youtube.
Kljunar (프로필 보기) 2016년 5월 2일 오전 12:14:50
Alkanadi:One of my friends is making a game in which one of the cultures speaks Esperanto. Whether this will be positive or negative only time will tell.Vaidd:I think it's frustrating. Esperanto has a rich history and yet seemingly 0.001% of the American population even knows of its existence. If I bring it up in conversation, immediately it's, "Oh you mean Espanol? Yeah I know about that." >.<Youtube is a good way to bring awareness. Maybe the UEA could spend some of their money to lobby famous polyglots on Youtube.
On one hand it spreads awareness of the language, on the other it makes it seem like a made up language for a game.
What do you guys think about this?
Vestitor (프로필 보기) 2016년 5월 2일 오후 11:35:10
Alkanadi:True to form you are entirely wrong about this. You are saturated with a view of the world and its contents merely through market mechanisms, which is rather a pitiable position to occupy really.
Esperanto is offered to the market for the purpose of fulfilling a want or need. Some people might think that it isn't a product because it is free. But, in reality, it is not free. It appears free because someone else is paying the bill.
As an example, Popular Linux was, and still really is, a labour of love more than anything else and the adjunctive benefit to businesses, using the results of all that voluntary labour for profit, shows how it can flow in completely the opposite direction than the market zealots would have people believe. They benefit from 'free'.
Sometimes, like when people do favours for other people or perform labour for the love of it, no one counts this as a 'bill' needing to be paid. I realise you might struggle with this alien concept.
Alkanadi (프로필 보기) 2016년 5월 3일 오후 2:20:12
Vestitor:Sometimes, like when people do favours for other people or perform labour for the love of it, no one counts this as a 'bill' needing to be paid. I realise you might struggle with this alien concept.I don't believe that anything is done for free or done without pay.
Linus was paid in recognition and he also says that he is doing well financially. Others who contribute are learning skills, receiving inward positive feelings, and building their resume.
Someone does a favour and they are paid with a positive inward feeling. Favours require time and energy. Doing favours is a peer to peer value exchange system. Some examples are "gift economies" and the "barter system", but there are many more examples.