What would a modern (i.e., based on cognitive science) constructed language look like?
viết bởi yyaann, Ngày 29 tháng 5 năm 2016
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bartlett22183 (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 20:28:29 Ngày 01 tháng 6 năm 2016
erinja (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 20:52:15 Ngày 01 tháng 6 năm 2016
robbkvasnak (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 21:10:51 Ngày 01 tháng 6 năm 2016
Our brains are marvelous instruments for creativity and any language used by humans must remain human and creative. The desire to create a truly "scientific" language is the desire to devoid humans of humanity. Language is not math and never will be - though math may be explained in language, language may not and cannot be explained by math, at least not in its entirety and in its usage by all speakers.
Fuzzy brains are human - non-fuzzy brains are not.
lagtendisto (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 20:36:03 Ngày 02 tháng 6 năm 2016
bartlett22183:Concerning Esperanto forms which are very close acoustically, such as 'mi/ni' and '-as/-is' (depending on context), I wonder how much Zamenhof genuinely designed his language to be spoken and how much written.He simply didn't have these tools available which are available today. I.e. he had no computer, no digital recording facilities, no headset, no IPA-keyboard & no access to linguistic databases (retrieval of IPA coded assets; TTS).
bartlett22183 (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 20:40:06 Ngày 02 tháng 6 năm 2016
erinja:I suspect that he did not think much about the possible confusion between sounds, {...trim for brevity}Well, obviously we cannot go back in time to ask Z
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lagtendisto (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 20:42:11 Ngày 02 tháng 6 năm 2016
robbkvasnak:Any language without some "slack" (Spielraum) becomes robotic hence "non-human", metalic.I got your point but TTS technology is getting better and better. For my ear, Mandarin sounds staccato-like. But it seems to be prejudice by myself because I found again lot of Asian vocabulary (including Mandarin) inside some other conlang. There it is was included due its phonetic shortness. And there it doesn't sound that staccato like I heard it first time.
Sepe (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 04:12:26 Ngày 04 tháng 6 năm 2016
Zvoc47 (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 17:57:42 Ngày 06 tháng 6 năm 2016
Kirilo81 (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 20:12:17 Ngày 06 tháng 6 năm 2016
I can only speculate that Z wanted to have them marked uniformly and at the same time short, and he - rightly from a 19th century perspective - thought first and before all about the written use of the language, where there is no problem.
I cannot confirm any problem with estA/I/Os. As soon as you learn that all vowels have to be pronounced clearly also in unstressed syllables there will be no trouble.
yyaann (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 22:17:32 Ngày 06 tháng 6 năm 2016
English, with its messy spelling system, is also doing just fine.
Japanese, with its Byzantine writing system, is also doing just fine.
Russian, with its complicated case system, is also doing just fine.
Chinese, with its sophisticated tone change system, is also doing just fine.
But most Esperantists would argue that these aspects of natural languages are unnecessary in an artificial language.
Zamenhof wanted his language to be learner-friendly. That's why he didn't think these aspects were necessary either.
So maybe it's not unreasonable to think that the current knowledge on the human mind's reliance on redundancy would have been taken into account had Esperanto been created today.