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bryku (عرض الملف الشخصي) 9 يونيو، 2016 8:32:47 ص
Miland (عرض الملف الشخصي) 9 يونيو، 2016 8:46:57 ص
Alkanadi (عرض الملف الشخصي) 9 يونيو، 2016 10:11:44 ص
I hope the admins don't delete that thread also.
bryku (عرض الملف الشخصي) 9 يونيو، 2016 10:50:33 ص
Miland:From my own observation, very few threads or messages get deleted. It's usually for persistently posting offensive messages that are not related to Esperanto. Also there's more latitude in the Esperanto-speaking forums, because those are intended for using the language.This is because the more interesting users have been banned and do not post any more here. In fact, due to these actions, some parts of the forum are virtually dead. If esperanto is to be a living language, people must also quarrel in it (a good counterargument against those, who claim that Esperanto is for peace only). It was very interesting experience to follow such quarrels, unfortunately not for very long.
tommjames (عرض الملف الشخصي) 9 يونيو، 2016 12:48:39 م
The idea that lernu.net operates censorship or "social engineering" is about as divorced from reality as you can get. Actually the tolerance level from the admins here is pretty high - given the ratio of deletions relative to the substantial amount of tedious drivel that appears on the site over time. Overall I would say the interventions that have taken place so far have been fair.
Notice that, for example, nobody has been banned for unfairly slandering the admins in this latest petulance-fest of a thread. That would not be the case in any real authoritarian regime.
erinja (عرض الملف الشخصي) 9 يونيو، 2016 2:05:37 م
We are incredibly tolerant of these kinds of criticisms here at lernu, compared to communities in the vast majority of the internet. At a lot of sites you can lose your account for publicly arguing against admin decisions - if you have a problem with an admin decision, you are expected to send a polite private message, and if you stop being polite, you get banned.
If you have detailed critique of the site's rules and functioning, I suggest you take it to the Esperanto forum "Pri la pagxaro", which is intended for discussions about the site. I'm going to leave up these threads but discussions aren't going to continue here. Don't hold your breath for changes to the rules. They are not going to be changed to become more lax, but if we have a persistent problem with people spamming up forum threads with non-constructive admin-related complaints, the problem could be solved with a policy like the one I mentioned above. It has been discussed before and we decided against it but it's not out of the question in the future, if we find this kind of thing to be a persistent problem.
FYI admins do not read all the threads (we all have day jobs), so if someone posts something that is against the site's terms of service, admins are not always aware unless someone reports it.
Polaris (عرض الملف الشخصي) 9 يونيو، 2016 3:43:50 م
Regrettably, some people simply can't tolerate the discussion of ANY viewpoint with which they disagree--every perspective that differs from their own is "hateful" or "insensitive", and everyone who doesn't think so is--at best--an ignorant clod. And usually, it's the same people who get all "offended" over everything (and practically fall down frothing at the mouth whenever someone says something they don't like) who resort to abusive name calling, hurtling petulant insults, and attempting to blast anyone who has the temerity to say something they don't agree with. That kind of childishness simply cannot be allowed. It creates a toxic environment and eventually kills hearty discussion and destroys a forum. That's why a moderator has to "police the ditches"--to avoid both viewpoint discrimination and abusive personal attacks. That's not censorship...in fact, it FOSTERS hearty discussion.
Polaris (عرض الملف الشخصي) 9 يونيو، 2016 3:54:37 م
erinja:It sounds like you are pretty unhappy with our den of despotic dictatorship, censorship, social engineering, and mind control here, Alkanadi...We are incredibly tolerant of these kinds of criticisms here at lernu, compared to communities in the vast majority of the internet. At a lot of sites you can lose your account for publicly arguing against admin decisionsErin, I WELL remember when a certain individual came in here and called you a b--ch and a kike. Personally, I would have banned him within thirty seconds, trashed his content, and probably sent a severe e-mail explaining why I had taken those measures. Instead, you let him stay here and demonstrate--repeatedly, in fact--just what he was really all about, until he eventually bailed out himself. So no, I don't think you're being despotic, dictatorial, or controlling anybody's mind here.
Alkanadi (عرض الملف الشخصي) 12 يونيو، 2016 8:47:36 ص
tommjames:Actually the tolerance level from the admins here is pretty highI have never seen a forum with such high tolerance before, but that is not the issue. It not about tolerance or intolerance.
...slandering the admins...I don't know who you are referring. I would never slander anyone. Vestitor is the only one on the forum who is calling others names. Everyone else seems relatively mature.
Alkanadi (عرض الملف الشخصي) 12 يونيو، 2016 8:52:36 ص
erinja:At a lot of sites you can lose your account for publicly arguing against admin decisions...Lernu is the most tolerant forum I have ever seen. But that is not the issue. Let's stick to the issue instead of moving the goal post.
The issue is regarding discrepancy. There is a huge discrepancy when it comes to deciding what is allowed and what isn't.