Alkanadi:

Vestitor:A bad workman blames his tools

A good workman needs good tools.

You must just be a terrible workman then. Better work on that inadequacy first.

Vestitor:

Alkanadi:

Vestitor:A bad workman blames his tools

A good workman needs good tools.

You must just be a terrible workman then. Better work on that inadequacy first.

Ouch...attack the argument, not the person.

As far as tools go; you can't just consider quality, but fitness for the task. You wouldn't use a jeweler's saw to cut down a fully-grown tree, no matter how high of quality it is; nor would you use a chainsaw when creating jewelry.

Since people learn in a variety of styles, there should be a variety of training methods.

Some like to choose incredients and to cook on its own and other like to be served its food even puréed for most possible convenience. Thats fine. But why later claim formers to be 'elite' with some constructed responsibility to serve puréed food for immature adults who try to hidden their incompetence behind some kind of 'diva-ness'? Some day everybody has 'to go through valley of tears and pain' means not being pampered anymore by its parents. Its named getting an adult what includes profiency to aquire every kind of raw learning matter.

00100100:As far as tools go; you can't just consider quality, but fitness for the task. You wouldn't use a jeweler's saw to cut down a fully-grown tree, no matter how high of quality it is; nor would you use a chainsaw when creating jewelry.

Since people learn in a variety of styles, there should be a variety of training methods.

That's right. Based on my observations, there is enough text based material, but there aren't enough audio, video, or computer based courses.

Alkanadi:but there aren't enough audio, video, or computer based courses.

Because Esperanto isn't trendy enough for people to make easy money off dabblers.

As someone who has been studying the language for around a year, I'd say there isn't one single reason that causes eternaj komencantoj to be eternal beginners. Looking to myself, I'd say I can read and write Esperanto to a lower intermediate level, but I know I spend more time reading about the language in English then I do actually learning it. In part this is due to insufficient motivation, talking to strangers on Skype and repetitively going over the same topics on Duolingo etc don't really appeal to me anymore.

However it is also the case with the tools used to learn the language. I want to be able to go to an Esperanto event or a meeting, but there is no club near me (apparently the one in the local town folded many years ago) and I am too young (17) to really go to a far away event.

When I was a child I remember that when things weren't there people started them: camera club, vintage car club etc. There's no use waiting for someone else to start it. Anyone bemoaning the lack of an Esperanto club might consider putting out a notice for local interest.
Depending upon where a person is that might be hit and miss. Esperantists don't seem to be equally distributed.

Vestitor:Anyone bemoaning the lack of an Esperanto club might consider putting out a notice for local interest.

Years ago esperanto-usa.org created some kind of handbook how to create local group. I have never seen another document describing such efforts in similar manner. I don't know how popular is Meetup.com nowadays. But it could be worth try.

I also wonder why idea of making karavano not gets popular in North-Amerika? Does Alekĉjo doesn't promote correctly? http://tejo.org/move/

tyroncs:However it is also the case with the tools used to learn the language. I want to be able to go to an Esperanto event or a meeting, but there is no club near me (apparently the one in the local town folded many years ago) and I am too young (17) to really go to a far away event.

This isn't really the "tools". This is simply real-world occasions for using the language. Everyone with an internet connection has the same ability to use tools like dictionaries and websites, but some people, due to their geographical location, will naturally have many more opportunities to use the language in person. Not much can really be done about that, you have to just make the best of what you have.

I sympathize. I learned Esperanto in my mid-teens and I was also hesitant to travel to Esperanto events outside my region, due to my age and also due to not knowing anyone there. I attended my very first Esperanto event when I was 16, I had the good luck that a youth weekend was being held at a hostel in my city, so I didn't have to travel too far to attend it. It was daunting nonetheless, I remember my mom seeing how I looked nervous and asking if I was ok when she dropped me off at the youth hostel, even though it was local and I was only an hour from home. I had a great time, however!

In the US and Canada, it is difficult because we live in large countries that are not very densely populated. Only a few lucky Esperanto learners will find themselves in a city that already has an Esperanto club. I don't know where you live, tyroncs, but there is an event called Paralela Universo that's taking place on August 20, in the US and Canada. The idea is to have small regional Esperanto events all over the US and Canada on this day, in order to encourage people to get out and have a nice time and speak the language, without causing a huge administrative burden to anyone for planning a complicated event. These events generally involve a meal at a restaurant and a group activity in the afternoon. If you live in the US or Canada, you can visit this Facebook page to see if there is a paralela universo event near you.

Other than that - lernu has students from all over. If you want to meet up with local Esperanto speakers, you could post your location (no need to give home address; nearest large city is sufficient) and see if anyone else knows an Esperanto speaker who lives there. It helps. There might even be someone near your age. It can be hard to live in some places and find Esperanto activities around, but sometimes you'll find that there's more Esperanto speakers in your region than you think, if you ask the right questions to the right people. Experienced Esperanto speakers are often surprisingly well-connected with Esperanto speakers from all over, so you never know what might turn up if you ask around!

I mean that the reasons can be:
Lack of motivation. He or she will learn the language, but he or she is not motivated enough. This is the most important; the another reasons could be eliminated by more motivation, a good teacher and hardworking.
Lack of feeling. He or she isn't in the mind state that would be able for the learning of the language.
Lack of a good teacher and lack of capacitity learning without teacher.
Bad language and communication skills. He or she can esprime what he or she means.