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Alkanadi (顯示個人資料) 2016年6月22日上午7:29:44
erinja:If you are willing to pay a lot of money, of course, it's a different story. You can definitely find lots of language course options for other languages if cost is not a concern.You are right. That explains the difference in perspective. I have the money and I am more than happy to pay.
Alkanadi (顯示個人資料) 2016年6月22日上午7:32:52
spreecamper:What efforts you did to meet Esperanto speakers face-to-face?I spent about 5 minutes looking to see if they had an Esperanto meetup in my area.
Alkanadi (顯示個人資料) 2016年6月22日上午7:38:00
Bruso:As for expensive options, I've heard mostly bad about Rosetta Stone.That is because people don't want to pay for it.
I bet if Duolingo was 8 hundred dollars and Rosetta Stone was free, people would be saying that Duolingo is terrible.
Vestitor (顯示個人資料) 2016年6月22日上午9:52:17
Alkanadi:Right and left?! I don't want to hammer these metaphors into submission, but the water isn't dirty!Vestitor:You can lead a horse to water...Right wing perspective: Esperanto learners are horses. (People are at fault).
Left wing perspective: The water is dirty. (The system is at fault).
Scroll back up to your own reply at 08:20:16 where you wrote: "There is no magic to learning a language. It is like building a house. You need tools." (and resources no doubt). Well that is precisely like leading a horse to water (what it needs). There are tools in abundance and at no cost. There is also abundant advice on how to use them. In fact there has never been a time when learning materials have been more accessible.
You keep forgetting that abilities differ. People will produce different outcomes from the same materials. I don't believe there is a successful argument to show that Esperanto resources are pitifully scarce. Perhaps there are places where access for some people is handicapped, but that is an (mainly internet) access issue. For those with an internet connection it's there for the taking.
Bruso (顯示個人資料) 2016年6月22日上午10:38:21
Alkanadi:The most scathing comments I've heard about Rosetta Stone are from those who did pay for it (or, as they call it, "wasted my money on a piece of ...").Bruso:As for expensive options, I've heard mostly bad about Rosetta Stone.That is because people don't want to pay for it.
I bet if Duolingo was 8 hundred dollars and Rosetta Stone was free, people would be saying that Duolingo is terrible.
Alkanadi (顯示個人資料) 2016年6月22日上午11:01:29
Vestitor:...the water isn't dirty!I think I have been spoiled with paid resources. My standards are higher. It terms of free resources, I guess Esperanto wins by default in a few categories.
In spite of that, I still blame the system if I see a lot of people failing. Learners don't have good enough tools.
Shouldn't there by something out there for the non-elitist learners? Remember that 50 percent of people are below average.
erinja (顯示個人資料) 2016年6月22日上午11:34:03
Alkanadi:In spite of that, I still blame the system if I see a lot of people failing. Learners don't have good enough tools.Maybe you can point us to these magical language learning resources where most people who start the course end up with a good grasp of the language. Language resources where people are studying in their own free time and of their own free will - I am not talking about hard-core full-time DFI immersion courses.
Shouldn't there by something out there for the non-elitist learners? Remember that 50 percent of people are below average.
I have not yet met such a resource. Language learning takes time and effort and there are no short cuts to that, no matter how effective the resource and no matter how much you paid for it.
Bruso (顯示個人資料) 2016年6月22日下午12:14:48
Alkanadi:You don't think Ana Pana is for non-elitist (do you mean non-elite?) learners?
Shouldn't there by something out there for the non-elitist learners? Remember that 50 percent of people are below average.
If so, I can't help you. Or them.
Vestitor (顯示個人資料) 2016年6月22日下午3:47:41
Alkanadi:If this is true, and you have no financial obstacles, why do you still find the need to ask questions here (at the free resource) about elementary Esperanto grammar?Vestitor:...the water isn't dirty!I think I have been spoiled with paid resources. My standards are higher.
There's nothing wrong with asking such questions, but if the paid resources are more efficacious, why have they not already provided the solutions?
I assume most people here have used free resources (perhaps the Teach Yourself or a similar book; Duolingo; Ana Pana or a combination of methods) in order to learn Esperanto. Obviously I don't know the success rates of everyone, but I don't see why it should be any worse than self-teaching of any other languages - which is how many people learn languages or begin to learn them. Surely Esperanto, with its large amount of free resources and eager participants, has a much more supportive structure for learners?
This is just re-treading ground though. Take it or leave it. I'm just going to carry on learning.