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Esperanto Language proposal on Stack Exchange

od shamata, 28. julij 2016

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shamata (Prikaži profil) 28. julij 2016 01:00:31

For any that have used StackExchange for technical questions or have seen the results turn up in Google searches this is for you.
If you've never heard of StackExchange take a look at the proposal site and also the rest of the sites. There are a wide range of topics. One of the great things about StackExchange is the proposal. Because the site won't actually make it to beta until there's a level of commitment, you're assured of it hitting the ground with a running start.
See you there!

Esperanto Language Proposal on StackExchange

Vestitor (Prikaži profil) 28. julij 2016 21:13:08

These things seem to be heavily populated by bitcoin and monero riff-raff.

shamata (Prikaži profil) 28. julij 2016 23:22:33

Vestitor:These things seem to be heavily populated by bitcoin and monero riff-raff.
I think there's some merit to your statement. There's always that element but they don't overwhelm the other language or linguistics sections. There's already areas for bitcoin and monero, the Esperanto community should weed those out in time. The monero community even has a section to allow their users communication in Esperanto.
The communities do have a natural tendency to avoid pollution of other communities on the sites.

I also think the speed of adoption by new StackExchange users shows more interest from those interested in Esperanto. That 55.1% doesn't have the same weight in adoption as users that support other proposals on StackExchange. Nor does it have the weight of users with greater reputation site-wide. What I think it shows is a promise for a healthy adoption without long-lasting pollution.

I hope this doesn't come across as argumentative. They were just some points I wanted to highlight in the chance you found them helpful.

Vestitor (Prikaži profil) 29. julij 2016 00:10:35

Not at all. Indeed of the 62 example questionsthe majority are purely concerned with Esperanto. I also noticed one that asked: "Why did the writer George Orwell hate Esperanto?"

Christa627 (Prikaži profil) 29. julij 2016 06:24:06

Odd... I was following the Constructed Languages proposal, but now it has evidently been closed, and a new one with the same title and description started. I wonder why that happened, it seems counter-productive.

shamata (Prikaži profil) 29. julij 2016 22:51:30

Christa627:Odd... I was following the Constructed Languages proposal, but now it has evidently been closed, and a new one with the same title and description started. I wonder why that happened, it seems counter-productive.
I took a look and the proposal is in Definition right now. I wonder if they also demote before it reaches beta?

shamata (Prikaži profil) 29. julij 2016 23:06:06

Vestitor:Not at all. Indeed of the 62 example questionsthe majority are purely concerned with Esperanto. I also noticed one that asked: "Why did the writer George Orwell hate Esperanto?"
You were really kind to not pick the worst of them. I find a little humor in tragedy.

I'm giving my rough impression of my favorite of the worst.

Hate Bait
"How good is Google Translate for Esperanto?"

You're doing it wr0mq. Game over.
"Ĉu estas Esperanto-instruistoj volas doni klasojn por monero cryptocurrency?"

New title proposition: Bird are dinosaurs and discontinuous thinking or how William S. Burroughs was right about language.
Are non-constructed languages such as English and French regarded as morally inferior by the Esperanto movement? [closed]

I love that the last one is already closed for not being constructive. ridulo.gif

Even with those, I'm still for this proposal. My reason is that Duolingo was my way to learn Esperanto because it worked with my total of 4 hours of commuting each day. I also get caught up and puzzled by words like "librofine" and "malmultiĝintaj" instead of focusing on basic reading comprehension or more useful vocabulary or speaking.... (I still don't have clear definitions of those words.).
A question that is fine to just linger out there in the wind until someone wants to tell me to learn the basics of compounds/word creation instead of answering. ridulo.gif

erinja (Prikaži profil) 31. julij 2016 16:51:55

shamata: I also get caught up and puzzled by words like "librofine" and "malmultiĝintaj" instead of focusing on basic reading comprehension or more useful vocabulary or speaking.... (I still don't have clear definitions of those words.).
A question that is fine to just linger out there in the wind until someone wants to tell me to learn the basics of compounds/word creation instead of answering. ridulo.gif
Context is king. Correctly parsing and interpreting compound words seems difficult at first but eventually it will come naturally and automatically, with only the rare occasion where you pause to figure out the meaning of something.

librofine = libr/o/fin/e. = book + end + -e ending. The -e ending is often used to indicate time or location. So "librofine" would probably mean something like "at the end of a book" (or "book-end-ly"). Like I said, context is king, and in some cases it is hard to give the meaning of a compound word if you haven't given the whole sentence in which it appears, so in the future, you might want to give this context when you ask the meaning of a word. This one looks pretty clear to me, however.

malmultiĝintaj = mal/mult/iĝ/int/aj
multa = many. malmulta = few
multiĝi = to become many. malmultiĝi = to become few
[x]-inta = having become [x].

Therefore - malmultiĝintaj = having become few (in a plural form, so we assume that plural things have become few in number). Hard to give a better translation without context but you might say that a few species of birds have recently "malmultiĝintaj" (become few in number)

shamata (Prikaži profil) 01. avgust 2016 00:53:20

Context is king. Correctly parsing and interpreting compound words seems difficult at first but eventually it will come naturally and automatically, with only the rare occasion where you pause to figure out the meaning of something.
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Thank you so much. That was very clear, easy to digest and a great surprise!

Christa627 (Prikaži profil) 03. avgust 2016 04:31:56

shamata:
Christa627:Odd... I was following the Constructed Languages proposal, but now it has evidently been closed, and a new one with the same title and description started. I wonder why that happened, it seems counter-productive.
I took a look and the proposal is in Definition right now. I wonder if they also demote before it reaches beta?
I noticed, on further examination, that proposals are commonly closed after they've been in Definition for over a year, and reopened in hopes that they'll grow faster on the next try. According to the notice on the proposal, that sometimes works. Well, I guess I'll re-follow it and see how it goes lango.gif! I'm already following the Esperanto proposal.

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