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언어: Esperanto
ahawkua (프로필 보기) 2016년 12월 6일 오전 4:22:02
Alkanadi (프로필 보기) 2016년 12월 6일 오전 6:35:31
Grown (프로필 보기) 2016년 12월 6일 오후 12:32:12
ahawkua (프로필 보기) 2016년 12월 6일 오후 11:07:11
Alkanadi:Where do you live?In Indiana :/
ahawkua (프로필 보기) 2016년 12월 6일 오후 11:07:32
Grown:Ĉi-tie. (read: Here.)really?
DuckFiasco (프로필 보기) 2016년 12월 7일 오전 3:49:45
Alkanadi (프로필 보기) 2016년 12월 7일 오전 7:26:51
ahawkua:This is the only thing I could find.Alkanadi:Where do you live?In Indiana :/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/EoinIN
Grown (프로필 보기) 2016년 12월 7일 오전 9:03:36
ahawkua:Well if you want to make friends that speak Esperanto, the best way includes learning Esperanto and the etiquette of the Esperanto community. The Esperanto community is called "Esperantujo". I recommend the direct method of learning Esperanto, which involves using only Esperanto throughout. In my experience, the only way of learning a second language is to take a correspondence course. Though it contains a history question, I recommend this:Grown:Ĉi-tie. (read: Here.)really?
http://lernu.net/forumo/temo/19453
For you to make friends, you should get along with others by following the following information about etiquette. In my experience, Esperanto etiquette is different from English etiquette - for example, fiction is sacrosanct, especially that which is written by an Academy member. For example, Novatago got upset at me because I'd written a negative review of La Terio Nakamura. In any language, all human communities require that their leaders are accepted and obeyed by all community members without discussion and without fail. For example, one of the classes I've taken, which was held in English, actually strongly discourages classroom participation despite the teacher and the syllabus saying otherwise. Classroom participation is not recommended. Even Anarcho-communist collectives eventually get "marxed", by which I mean they do things like expelling the traveler kids and, as you can see, using marxist-like propaganda techniques.
http://www.crimethinc.com/texts/selected/purged.ph...
The Academy and erinja are the leaders of this community. So therefore, if you want a place here, you must obey all Academy members and accept them and their works - La Terio Nakamura is one. This post is itself discussion, so I'm kind of taking a risk here. So I hope you benefit from this.
One of the dynamics on Lernu is that if you violate etiquette, then others often will violate etiquette in retaliation and will assume that they have the right to do so. For example, instead of replying to an etiquette-violating post with their own post that says "I find I must hereby condemn your post as totally inappropriate because it was overlong and brought up concepts that have no place here", they might say something like, "Have you tried lithium? (hint: it's not a game)". The rival posters will strenuously refuse any and all objections to their conduct by various means, which may include using, and blaming you for not understanding, their ethnic cryptolect. They will refuse any and all attempts to de-escalate or thoroughly explain the situation. This dynamic is not recommended.
Another thing that is not recommended is quite simply being Vestitor. There are so many things about with his conduct about which I've had conduct disputes with him that I don't even have to keep track of them all, and he seems to be taking his would-be moral superiority over other Esperantists on some sort of faith. His case that there is nothing wrong with his conduct rarely, if ever, makes complete sense to me, and he is quite persistent in what passes for his defense. I wrote an overlong post and he asked me, "Have you tried lithium? (hint: it's not a game)". He got sarcastic with me, and blamed me for not understanding his Cockney rhyming slang on Lernu, which is an international forum. He always strenuously refuses any and all objections to his conduct, often by objections that violate etiquette so severely that they would have taken away any moral superiority he would have begun with. He also told me that I belong in prison for having expressed indifference to his crime-fighter disguise. I don't even look at his posts anymore. Befriending him is not recommended.
Another point of etiquette that I've learned is that long posts are violations of Lernu's etiquette. I actually recommend long posts when you have a lot of content - not verbosity - to say, but only when you are also prepared to get violations of etiquette in return. This post is itself a long one and someone might get glib, condescending, or angry about it, for example.
Some things I'd like to recommend are, being open to others correcting your grammar and spelling, and to put the occasional adverb at the start of your message or at the start of your sentences. The correction is not persecution, and the adverb efficiently serves a clarifying function that is missing in English. For example, you could say "Miskomunike." at the start of a post to say "That's not what I meant.", or "Malpersekute," (read: "What I'm about to say isn't persecution:") at the start of a sentence when someone says "Saŭlo, Saŭlo, kial vi persekutas min?" (read: "Paul, Paul, why are you persecuting me?"). The period and the location of the adverb at the start means you're referring to what the other person said, and the comma after the adverb and the location of it at the start of your sentence means that you're referring to your own sentence.
The last point I'd like to tell you in this post is that you should never be the first to use English or any other non-Esperanto language in Lernu or Esperantujo, even if you are not satisfied with your level of proficiency in Esperanto. Even if someone else is the first to use a non-Esperanto language, you should not use a non-Esperanto language on Lernu in return unless it is clear to all on the thread that you use the non-Esperanto language because the non-Esperanto language is strictly necessary so that you may be understood by one or more of the posters that themselves used the same non-Esperanto language. Do you see that orange bar on the upper left of the page? Well that is the language filter. Set your language filter immediately to accept Esperanto and Esperanto alone, and of conversations on Lernu, only be aware of a non-Esperanto conversation here when a poster specifically brings it to your attention. The worst conduct dispute I've ever had on Lernu was in a thread marked as being in English, and the second worst involved a poster sprinkling some English in there.
Vestitor (프로필 보기) 2016년 12월 7일 오후 5:57:42
Those 'challenges' you seem to be facing are not because people fail to acknowledge your unique perspective, it's because - notwithstanding the bizarre obsession with 'Esperanto etiquette' - you present yourself as a complete and utter twit.
raffadalbo (프로필 보기) 2016년 12월 7일 오후 9:59:46
ahawkua:Where can i make friends that also speak Esperanto?You can try one of the following:Alkanadi:Where do you live?In Indiana :/
* an official website, listing groups (you can use for instance http://www.esperanto-usa.org/en/content/mid-atlant..., which unfortunately shows no group in Indiana - but maybe you can find a group in a near state and later found one in your town)
* a map (there are different sites that provide maps of groups or individuals, e.g. http://www.esperantoland.org/grupoj/mapo.php?mapo=...)
* visit a meeting, a congress or other event, and ask there
* etc