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Imagine if Esperantists had our own currency

от rapn21, 3 марта 2018 г.

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Grown (Показать профиль) 14 марта 2018 г., 19:32:13

sudanglo:Metsis, I can assure you that the situation in the UK is quite different. Most Brits would be scandalised to hear of the situation that you describe in your country.

The big supermarkets here have ATM's (mon-automatoj), as do the banks, from which you can withdraw cash cost free at any time night or day. I regularly pay my utility bills (gas electricity etc) in cash at my local Post Office. And if I wanted to I could also settle those accounts by writing a cheque.

The whole problem with electronic money is that any government (and hackers) could just take the money away from you. Governments are not always benign.

Did you know that in early thirties the American government made it illegal to hold gold having previously demanded that the citizens hand in their gold. They then declared the price of gold to be $35, it had previous been $20.67 for many years, giving them a handsome profit in dollar terms. See this.

It's almost gangsterish.

If I ask myself why I want to see the revival of the Spesmilo., I think the answer is in part a certain romanticism, but also I'm fed up with all the machinations that go on with fiat currencies. I want a money that has a decent chance of being a store of value.

Spesmiloj (or linked Steloj) in coin form not only have a good chance of being inflation-proof because of the link to gold, they also quite probably after the passage of years would retain their value through their appeal to collectors and would therefore keep their value should gold go down.

As a store of value they are win win, and further such coins would also be an anonymous way keeping one's wealth,
Glittering generality. Minimization. Argument by repetition to follow, government is a ruthless criminal syndicate. I figured it out in 20th Century history class and sociology class.

Pollukso_Stelfilo (Показать профиль) 20 апреля 2018 г., 10:58:35

There was once such a currency and it was called the "Stelo".

A crypto-currency from the current Top Ten is named "Monero", that's Esperanto for "coin", but except from the name, it has nothing to do with Esperanto.

I think the entire crypto-market is just a giant bubble and most of those currencies are kind of scams.

Beza (Показать профиль) 22 апреля 2018 г., 4:23:37

it was never thought necessary to indicate the value on it in the way that our modern coins do.
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Grown (Показать профиль) 22 апреля 2018 г., 7:08:13

Beza:it was never thought necessary to indicate the value on it in the way that our modern coins do.
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Grown (Показать профиль) 22 апреля 2018 г., 7:15:04

Pollukso_Stelfilo:There was once such a currency and it was called the "Stelo".

A crypto-currency from the current Top Ten is named "Monero", that's Esperanto for "coin", but except from the name, it has nothing to do with Esperanto.

I think the entire crypto-market is just a giant bubble and most of those currencies are kind of scams.
Currency is more like a human relationship than a scam. It's a house of cards, like any other relationship, there are no real fundamentals there.

Pollukso_Stelfilo (Показать профиль) 22 апреля 2018 г., 12:49:31

A currency is worthful because people accept it. $1000 are much because other people would give you a lot of great stuff in exchange for a $1000 note.

Not so with modern crypto-currencies except Bitcoin. F.e. I don't know any shop that accepts Monero, Ripple, Stellar and such. They're essentially useless and are "worth" only because greedy wannabe-speculators with dollar signs in their eyes believe that their exchange worth is going to rise. It's a bubble that's going to burst, no matter what.

Grown (Показать профиль) 22 апреля 2018 г., 17:20:28

Pollukso_Stelfilo:A currency is worthful because people accept it. $1000 are much because other people would give you a lot of great stuff in exchange for a $1000 note.

Not so with modern crypto-currencies except Bitcoin. F.e. I don't know any shop that accepts Monero, Ripple, Stellar and such. They're essentially useless and are "worth" only because greedy wannabe-speculators with dollar signs in their eyes believe that their exchange worth is going to rise. It's a bubble that's going to burst, no matter what.
IMO you said the same thing twice.

Turfalko (Показать профиль) 24 июня 2018 г., 17:08:00

La STELO vivas. Aperis 2018 nova 100-Stela monero (medalo), unu unco da pura arĝento.
Okazo: 150a datreveno de la naskiĝo de René de Saussure.

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