Demando pri "Mi dolorigas al mi la piedon" frazo en la libro "complete esperanto"
Nala_Cat15-ისა და 25 ივნისი, 2019-ის მიერ
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Nala_Cat15 (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 27 ივნისი, 2019 17:45:19
sergejm (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 27 ივნისი, 2019 18:54:12
Se vi uzas akuzativon post LOKA prepozicio, ĝi signifas direkton.
"al mi" ne estas akuzativo, ĝi estas dativo, sed en via frazo ĝi signifas "mia".
Kial oni diras "al mi" anstataŭ "mia"? Ĉar "mia" estas dusilaba vorto kaj ĉiam havas akcenton je la du silabo de la fino.
"al mi" estas du unusilabaj vortetoj, kiu restas senakcentaj (klitikoj) kaj kiuj oni prononcas kiel unu vorto kun antaŭa aŭ posta vorto kun akcento. "al mi la piEdon" vi povas prononci kiel unu vorto ("la" ankaŭ estas klitiko), sed "mIa | piEdo" estas du vortoj.
"mi dolorIgis | al mi la piEdon" - "l hurted | my foot"
En la frazo de StefKo:
"mI al mi | dolorIgis | la piEdon" ≈ "I to myself hurted the foot" - la sama signifo, sed kun akcento al subjekto.
Metsis (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 28 ივნისი, 2019 07:15:07
Mi dolorigis al mi la piedon
means (as Sergejm said in the very beginning)
Mi faris tiel, ke mia piedo ekdoloris
with the idea, that I caused the pain myself (e.g. I hit a chair), but that's not the point, the pain in my foot is.
Now you wonder what this "al mi" in the original sentence is. Let me explain. For some reason many E-o speakers prefer the romance language way when it comes to bodyparts, the foot instead of my foot, the head instead of my head and so on. Allegedly the logic goes like this: "the" is enough because it is obvious to whom the bodypart belongs to (I disagree with this "obviousness"). So you could write the sentence into form
Mi dolorigis la piedon
since it's "obvious" whose foot got hurt. Or you could use the possessive pronoun (I prefer this way)
Mi dolorigis mian piedon
In the original sentence the writer has wanted to use the "the" form but to clarify, whose bodypart it is. The result is a sentence
(Mi) (dolorigis) (al mi) (la piedon)
(I) (caused pain) (to me) (the foot)
where "al mi" is in what is called the dative case (the receiver of an action). In order to get fluent English you have to edit (I) (caused pain) (to me) (the foot) a little, e.g. My foot got hurt (or something like that, I'm not a native speaker of English).
sudanglo (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 28 ივნისი, 2019 12:38:08
Nala_Cat15:"Mi dolorigas al mi la piedon".Kial oni uzas la akuzativon kun la vorto "piedo" Ĉu iu ajn scias la kialo? Ĉu estas la akuzativo de kvanto?Catboy. Do you know how to use la Tekstaro?
(it only (currently) works under Chrome on my computer not under Explorer - but this may have something to do with the age of my computer. It may well work with multiple browsers on a modern machine.)
It takes a little time to learn how to formulate search queries, but it's well worth the investment.
The search query to see how dolorigi is used is backslash b dolorig backslash capital V capital F.
This reveals that the most common usage is of the form dolorigi followed by the accusative rather than dolorigi al pronoun accusative.
So the accusative is no more puzzling than it is in mi trinkas kafon or mi riparigis la aŭton or mi diris al li la veron
Nala_Cat15 (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 2 ივლისი, 2019 22:22:05
TimOwen (მომხმარებლის პროფილი) 3 ივლისი, 2019 21:39:56