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Nala_Cat15 (Mostrar o perfil) 25 de junho de 2019 22:40:22
sergejm (Mostrar o perfil) 26 de junho de 2019 04:12:36
1. the dog ate the food.
2. the cat eats the dog.
Sometimes there is the doubt, what does the relative pronoun mean - the cat or the dog. In this case, put "(la hundo)" after it.
"La kato mangas la hundon, kiun (la hundon) manĝis la manĝaĵo" - this means
1. the food ate the dog.
2. the cat eats the dog.
Both sentences are strange.
Uze "kiun" if "which" in the second part of the sentence means object.
Uze "kiu" if "which" in the second part of the sentence means subject.
Uze "kiujn" if "which" in the second part of the sentence means some objects.
Uze "kiuj" if "which" in the second part of the sentence means some subjects.
Nala_Cat15 (Mostrar o perfil) 26 de junho de 2019 04:57:53
Metsis (Mostrar o perfil) 26 de junho de 2019 07:33:34
"Kiu" and "kiun" denote singular subject resp. object.
"Kiuj" and "kiujn" denote plural subject resp. object, which you should in most cases understand to be comprehensive, i.e. not "some" but "all":
Mi ne konis tiujn personojn, kiuj… : I didn't know any of those persons, who…
There is also "kio" and "kion", but these refer to the whole preceding sentence, if used as relative pronoun without "tio" (for all uses of "kio" see PIV):
Li ridas konstante, kio estas netolerebla : He is laughing all the time, which is intolerable.
(The forms "kioj" and "kiojn" are very rarely used, because "kio" is usually regarded as already encompassing everything. AFAIK there is some use for them in advanced mathematics, e.g. when you talk about sets of sets.)
sergejm (Mostrar o perfil) 26 de junho de 2019 08:05:14
If you want "some":
"Mi ricevis la monon, kiun mi jam elspezis" - all the money is spent.
"Mi ricevis la monon, iom da kiu mi jam elspezis" some money is spent.
Notu: "iom" don't have an accusative.
Nala_Cat15 (Mostrar o perfil) 26 de junho de 2019 23:24:19
Metsis (Mostrar o perfil) 27 de junho de 2019 07:10:06
Nala_Cat15:So can "kio" take a plural?The short answer: No, it can't.
The longer answer:
Many say, that it can't for the reason I mentioned, and PIV doesn't know such form. However I'm vaguely remembering having read an article, where it was shown that it can in some very specific cases like in so called supersets in advanced mathematics. In everyday life the answer is "no".
Nala_Cat15 (Mostrar o perfil) 28 de junho de 2019 21:56:14
Nala_Cat15 (Mostrar o perfil) 15 de julho de 2019 23:37:02
Metsis (Mostrar o perfil) 16 de julho de 2019 18:48:16